The not-so-secret-story about how a country interfered to win an election

originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: soberbacchus

You also forget about Ukraine.

You realize how that all started right? Nuland's coup?

Are you moving on to a new OP?

Just wanted to point out how this poster continually deflects and ignores direct questions that destroy their presuppositions and invented outrage.

You deflect to unrelated topics as a desperate attempt to defend the man who will mark US history as the greatest disgrace to ever occupy the Whitehouse.

It says a great deal about your character.

Worth pointing out.

Let me know if you want to discuss the topic.

a reply to: soberbacchus

We're not talking about obama here.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes it is well known that many countries meddle in other countries affairs. Especially Russia and the U.S. but that doesn't make it ok that Russia helped elect trump into office.

originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes it is well known that many countries meddle in other countries affairs. Especially Russia and the U.S. but that doesn't make it ok that Russia helped elect trump into office.

How did Russia help Trump into office?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: soberbacchus

You also forget about Ukraine.

You realize how that all started right? Nuland's coup?

Are you moving on to a new OP?

Just wanted to point out how this poster continually deflects and ignores direct questions that destroy their presuppositions and invented outrage.

You deflect to unrelated topics as a desperate attempt to defend the man who will mark US history as the greatest disgrace to ever occupy the Whitehouse.

It says a great deal about your character.

Worth pointing out.

Let me know if you want to discuss the topic.

Dude study some history. You sound like you've been propagandized to the point of no return. LBJ, Jimmy Carter, George W Bush, Bill Clinton, Obama; they all have disgraced this country among several others. You wouldn't know that from reading highschool text books or watching tv though.

a reply to: CymaticA

That isn't stopping trump from being the greatest disgrace.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes it is well known that many countries meddle in other countries affairs. Especially Russia and the U.S. but that doesn't make it ok that Russia helped elect trump into office.

How did Russia help Trump into office?

Pay attention, please.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Putin orchestrated the hacks and the disinformation campaigns that lost Hillary the election(she shouldn't have been the candidate in the first place, but she would have been better than a Russian puppet.) Russia also Infiltrated the NRA which just so happens to be a hard right organization that is heavily invested in republican politicians. Those 2 alone were able to sway enough voters in key areas. Even though Hillary had millions of more popular votes. It was a difference of 80,000 votes in key winner take all(which is b.s. and should not be allowed as it is not representative of the popular vote) states.That gave trump the electoral college.(which outlived its purpose the day slavery was abolished)

I'm also positive that Exxon and Rex Tillerson were heavily involved with Russia in order to get a republican stooge into office. This is heavily supported by the simple fact that Tillerson resigned weeks after Exxon canceled the $500,000,000,000 deal with Russia. A deal that Tillerson had been working directly with the Russian government on for the past 20 years. A deal that was being held back by the Crimean sanctions. Which trump coincidentally tried to remove the moment he was in the oval office.

I just gave you the hope and the why and I can only hope that as more evidence comes out in support of this massive conspiracy to destroy our country from the inside. That people realize the truth and that we can work towards fixing this together.

a reply to: conscientiousobserver

The hacks exposed corruption within the DNC and Hillary campaign.


Are you saying that the corruption should have been kept covered up and Hillary should have won?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: conscientiousobserver

The hacks exposed corruption within the DNC and Hillary campaign.


Are you saying that the corruption should have been kept covered up and Hillary should have won?

"Whataboutism" is the last refuge of the defeated. Trump needs to resign for the good of the Republic. Russia has engineered his impeachment, and his resignation is the only thing that can prevent it.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: conscientiousobserver

The hacks exposed corruption within the DNC and Hillary campaign.


Are you saying that the corruption should have been kept covered up and Hillary should have won?

"Whataboutism" is the last refuge of the defeated. Trump needs to resign for the good of the Republic. Russia has engineered his impeachment, and his resignation is the only thing that can prevent it.

I have absolutely no idea what you're saying other than you want corrupt government.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: conscientiousobserver

The hacks exposed corruption within the DNC and Hillary campaign.


Are you saying that the corruption should have been kept covered up and Hillary should have won?

"Whataboutism" is the last refuge of the defeated. Trump needs to resign for the good of the Republic. Russia has engineered his impeachment, and his resignation is the only thing that can prevent it.

I have absolutely no idea what you're saying other than you want corrupt government.

I believe you are clueless. Trump is the most corrupt person ever to be elected president. Yes, even Hillary would have been better, and she would have been the most corrupt had she won.

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas


The electoral college was instilled with slavery, the difficulty of communicating back then and a multi party system in mind.

Back then each slave counted as 2/5ths of a person. Thus giving slave states more electoral votes and an edge over the north in the electoral college. Guess who suggested this?? A virginian slave owner. Guess who controlled the presidency for the first 30 years after the countries founding... slave owners.

Your second quote is a bit misleading as back then we had a multi party system where the majority vote would usually be no more than 30% and the 18 elections were before we went to a 2 party system. There were also far fewer people so you would have differences of a few thousand or hundreds in the popular vote amongst multiple candidates. Where as now there is a difference of millions of votes between two. Oh and Also slavery can't forget the slavery part.

We no longer have slavery, communication is certainly no longer an issue, and have a predominately 2 party system. So therefore all the reasons the electoral college was instilled are no longer relevant. Now it's only uses are making the ability to manipulate voting districts a valuable asset and just making manipulation of the electoral process easier in general.

If people insist on keeping the electoral college then I think a few changes need to at least be made.(they should be made either way really) Such as automatic registration of eligible voters and mandatory voting in all elections as it is every Americans privilege and duty to vote for our representatives, no anonymous voting so as to avoid tampering, and the removal of winner take all as it defeats the purpose of the electoral college in the first place.

This whole Russia narrative has got you guys hook, line, and sinker. You don't give a rats a$$ about US sovereignty being eroded and power handed over to a centralized international beuracracy, simply because you've been conned to think it's for the greater good. When an obvious coordinated narrative is unleashed through the press, who over the years have been compromised, you take the bait. Russia is a convenient smoke screen that keeps you looking away from the real enemy within.

It will take a 'Brave New World' scenario to open your eyes, but by then it will either be too late or you still won't even notice. Hell, you'll probably think we've reached utopia when social engineers have unrelenting power to govern our every actions for "the greater good". It's truly sickening

originally posted by: CymaticA
This whole Russia narrative has got you guys hook, line, and sinker. You don't give a rats a$$ about US sovereignty being eroded and power handed over to a centralized international beuracracy, simply because you've been conned to think it's for the greater good. When an obvious coordinated narrative is unleashed through the press, who over the years have been compromised, you take the bait. Russia is a convenient smoke screen that keeps you looking away from the real enemy within.

It will take a 'Brave New World' scenario to open your eyes, but by then it will either be too late or you still won't even notice. Hell, you'll probably think we've reached utopia when social engineers have unrelenting power to govern our every actions for "the greater good". It's truly sickening

The "centralized international bureaucracy" was created by the United States to serve its own ends. NATO, the EU, NAFTA, the TPP, all were created by the United States for our own purposes. Russia and China have always resented this hegemony and are actively trying to destroy it. But you probably know that.

a reply to: DBCowboy

So your only defense of these shenanigans is that it's ok that we have a Russian shill in office because his boss exposed the corruption of the opposition?

I am a Bernie supporter so of course I was livid when Hillary was allowed to retain her candidacy and of course neither side did anything about it because they knew Bernie would have won and would have actually put an end to the greed and corruption on both sides. At least the corruption was self contained within the party for the most part, ya know like it normally is for both sides, and didn't involve conspiring with a foreign adversary.

originally posted by: DJW001
The "centralized international bureaucracy" was created by the United States to serve its own ends. NATO, the EU, NAFTA, the TPP, all were created by the United States for our own purposes. Russia and China have always resented this hegemony and are actively trying to destroy it. But you probably know that.

Have to disagree there. The United States has been used to strongarm these policies because of it's position in the world. There is a clear transition of power that has been happening for decades.

If the goal were for American interests, we wouldn't have policies that involve meddling in world affairs while racking up huge amounts of debt at the publics expense. We wouldn't hand over our monetary power to an institution that charges interest to do so. We wouldn't be enacting policies that export American manufacturing creating a system of international dependency. We wouldn't be allowing vast amounts of land and resources to be barred from public consumption in our own country. We wouldn't be slowly handing over our sovereignty at all. The list goes on.

It's just so obvious that the United States is simply a means to an end, the end being a centralized technocratic beuracracy ruled by a small minority who regulate the actions of every nation.

a reply to: CymaticA

So... you know nothing about history. Tell you what, go to Russian or Chinese websites and read up.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: conscientiousobserver

The hacks exposed corruption within the DNC and Hillary campaign.


Are you saying that the corruption should have been kept covered up and Hillary should have won?

"Whataboutism" is the last refuge of the defeated. Trump needs to resign for the good of the Republic. Russia has engineered his impeachment, and his resignation is the only thing that can prevent it.

"Whataboutism" is also a result of shear hypocrisy by the accusers. The people screaming the most about Trump didn't seem to object with their teams involvement in collusion and corruption. Many are simply trying to point that out. It's not about being loyal to Trump, it's about pointing out hypocrisy, which seems to be rampant in the whole red vs blue charade.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: CymaticA

So... you know nothing about history. Tell you what, go to Russian or Chinese websites and read up.

It's called taking an objective look at policies for over a hundred years and not blindly accepting the narrative given. It's called looking at who controls the worlds resources and economic systems and reading what their plan for the future is. If you think these people have you or your countries' best interest at heart, then there's nothing I can do for you except tell you to open your mind and dig a little deeper.