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The not-so-secret-story about how a country interfered to win an election

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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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I was going to make a new thread, but I think this is closely related to this one so I'll leave tidbits here. Anyone wanting to make a thread is welcome to, just note this is coming from Wikipedia so be sure to check the individual sources to make sure they look legit.


Theoretical and empirical research on the effect of foreign electoral intervention is weak overall; however, a number of such studies have been conducted.[1] One study indicated that the country intervening in most foreign elections is the United States with 81 interventions, followed by Russia (including the former Soviet Union) with 36 interventions from 1946 to 2000 - an average of once in every nine competitive elections. [2][3][4]


I'll include the ones that stood out to me, please anyone feel free to add any that they think are of importance.


Iranian election (U.S., 1952) Main article: Iranian legislative election, 1952 Historian Ervand Abrahamian, in an interview with Democracy Now!, said U.S. State Department documents declassified in 2017 reveal that the U.S. strategy was to undermine Mohammad Mosaddegh through parliament and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) spent lot of money to get their 18 favorable candidates elected.[26]



During the administration of President Barack Obama, the U.S. State Department sent $350,000 to an Israeli organization, OneVoice, which used the funds to try to oust Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.[30]



1996 election (U.S.) U.S. President Bill Clinton later acknowledged that, in the wake of the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, Clinton interfered on behalf of Shimon Perez against Benjamin Netanyahu. Clinton later said that he “tried to do it in a way that didn't overtly involve me”.[31]



The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) of Japan received secret American funds during the 1950s and 1960s.[3] According to former U.S. Ambassador to Japan Douglas MacArthur II, "the Socialists in Japan had their own secret funds from Moscow", and funding the LDP helped to "project American power".[32]



Palestinian election (U.S., Israel, 2006) See also: Palestinian legislative election, 2006 During the 2006 Palestinian elections, Israel hoped that Fatah would prevail over Hamas, the latter being a Sunni-Islamic fundamentalist organization. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to halt the elections if Hamas ran candidates. However, U.S. President George W. Bush objected to such election interference, and Hamas won, despite millions of clandestine dollars flowing from the Bush administration to Fatah during the closing weeks of the campaign.[36] Then-Senator Hillary Clinton commented at the time: "we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win."[37]


WIKI

I tried to do a healthy mix between presidents/parties so this wouldn't look like there was political favor to what I picked.

Whether you agree with the angle or justification for our picks in those elections, it is ultimately up to those citizens, not us or our agendas.
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: intrepid


Corruption was exposed in the DNC. Possibly by Russia.

Cries of treason now resound acoss the country because Trump had a meeting with Putin.


We ignore the facts that countries meddle with other countries all the time.


Possibly by Russia , we haven't seen proof yet. I've seen DBCowboy's posts. I'll bet $100 if proof comes out he'll admit that.

OMG, our leader met with another leader?!?! Obama did too.

Since when did we or other countries not meddle? Obama with Macron for Pete's sake. Geeze.


Remember when Obama was caught telling Medvedev that he would have more slack after the election? Where are those outraged "conservatives" now?

lol
really
did the former head of the cia accuse obama of treason that day?
did all the talking heads on tv rail about how horrible obama was that day?
if that happened i must have missed it
there is no actual comparison in your scenerio



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




Let me ask you, are you for exposing corruption?


CNN is!




posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: DBCowboy

en.wikipedia.org... pretty usefull wiki link for your topic OP this was one of my favorites ive found so far

During the 2006 Palestinian elections, Israel hoped that Fatah would prevail over Hamas, the latter being a Sunni-Islamic fundamentalist organization. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to halt the elections if Hamas ran candidates. However, U.S. President George W. Bush objected to such election interference, and Hamas won, despite millions of clandestine dollars flowing from the Bush administration to Fatah during the closing weeks of the campaign.[36] Then-Senator Hillary Clinton commented at the time: "we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win
bush refused and Hillary's comment was "we should have made sure we did something to determine who would win".............. its a pretty long list but yeah as you said every one does it

your quoting an article that's claiming Bush had to step in so that this election wasnt meddled with? Case closed Johnson just sprinkle some jack on em



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: strongfp

Actually it wasn't compromised. Every single intelligence agency agrees. No votes were changed.


That complete Scooby Doo Doo. It would take an army of mind reads to determine that. Or The Shadow.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: andyr1112

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: DBCowboy

en.wikipedia.org... pretty usefull wiki link for your topic OP this was one of my favorites ive found so far

During the 2006 Palestinian elections, Israel hoped that Fatah would prevail over Hamas, the latter being a Sunni-Islamic fundamentalist organization. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to halt the elections if Hamas ran candidates. However, U.S. President George W. Bush objected to such election interference, and Hamas won, despite millions of clandestine dollars flowing from the Bush administration to Fatah during the closing weeks of the campaign.[36] Then-Senator Hillary Clinton commented at the time: "we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win
bush refused and Hillary's comment was "we should have made sure we did something to determine who would win".............. its a pretty long list but yeah as you said every one does it

your quoting an article that's claiming Bush had to step in so that this election wasnt meddled with? Case closed Johnson just sprinkle some jack on em


The article said millions flowed from the Bush administration, though he objected.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker




I do think you're missing the biggest comment that killed her IMO, when she called Bernie supporters basement dwellers. That turned people to spite vote for Trump. Many of the Bernie supporters wanted a shake up in politics, and she wasn't going to offer that.

hrc said alot of things I would wager she would take back
I do think some of the bernie voters voted for trump to spite hrc and the dnc, I do not think those people will ever be back with the dnc
but you know it wasnt hrc's mouth that lost her the election....it was help from the russians....face book and twitter you know as there was no actual documented voter fraud

and that is the stinking load of bs the msm expects the american citizen to swallow
boy are they going to be mad in november
it wont just be the bernie voters spite voting



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: intrepid

So you're saying that exposing the corruption inside the DNC helped Trump.

Okay.

Let me ask you, are you for exposing corruption?


Any logical person would. But this is a complete flip flop from what was being said just last week.



???

We've been cheering that corruption was exposed since forever.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: CriticalStinker




I do think you're missing the biggest comment that killed her IMO, when she called Bernie supporters basement dwellers. That turned people to spite vote for Trump. Many of the Bernie supporters wanted a shake up in politics, and she wasn't going to offer that.

hrc said alot of things I would wager she would take back
I do think some of the bernie voters voted for trump to spite hrc and the dnc, I do not think those people will ever be back with the dnc
but you know it wasnt hrc's mouth that lost her the election....it was help from the russians....face book and twitter you know as there was no actual documented voter fraud

and that is the stinking load of bs the msm expects the american citizen to swallow
boy are they going to be mad in november
it wont just be the bernie voters spite voting


I rarely vote for either of the two parties, but have voted for both at times.

I typically vote independent or third party.

That said, between the two parties, the left has irritated me most the past few year. The virtue signalling and willingness to eat their own is so telling.

How can they be a party for women's rights when Michelle Obama said,


"What does it mean for us as women that we look at those two candidates, as women, and many of us said, that guy, he's better for me, his voice is more true to me," Obama said. "Well, to me that just says you don't like your voice. You like the thing you're told to like."
CNN

They say they are for minorities and women as long as you're for them. God forbid you have a different opinion, than you are chastised. It's gotten ugly.

I'll admit the right has people who say disgusting things, but they are a little more open about it and don't hide behind a veil of being the "open minded" party. That doesn't make it right, but I don't like when someone pisses on my leg and calls it rain.

That being said, I truly dislike both parties and think they are toxic to our political environment.

This whole Russia is to blame for Trumps victory is just them not holding accountability in their mistakes and arrogance.


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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 11:12 AM
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So if Russia is such a threat....Why did we give them 20% of uranium in the US?

Does that make Hillary a criminal or a traitor to our country? Keep in mind this the same crowd who told us we could not believe anything the CIA said about Iraq? WMD's anyone?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Are you saying the Soviet Union before the fall and the United States of America in 2016 are the same?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: DBCowboy

Are you saying the Soviet Union before the fall and the United States of America in 2016 are the same?





Hmmm, would you mind elaborating your point? What does 1996 Russia and 2016 America have to do with the USSR?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: introvert


Did Bush and Obama admins have people on staff that worked with, or on behalf, of a foreign nation to hold up the dictators of others nations?

I don't think so. The comparisons are not valid.


Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Behrain, Myanmar, Ethiopia, Vietnam, Rwanda, Cambodia, Honduras, Uganda, Qatar, UAE, Kenya, Morocco, and Turkey.... There's a few.


Can you provide specific names for your assertion?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


We ignore the facts that countries meddle with other countries all the time.


If you went by the MSM, you'd think that this is the first time it had ever happened.



I'm calling bullsh# on it right now.


Flag + star + seconded


Calling absolute bull# as well. This is a sham of the highest order, a total disinformation hit job taking a standard/non-interesting/non-exciting incident and using it to attack Trump (they've also falsely tricked their followers into believing lawful contact with Russia is somehow a crime)



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

I'm saying that "meddling" is not a big deal at all. It isn't newsworthy. heck, it isn't even noteworthy.

This should've been relegated to bargain bin spy novels vs. a national issue built in lies/spin and misunderstanding of US law.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: DBCowboy


We ignore the facts that countries meddle with other countries all the time.


If you went by the MSM, you'd think that this is the first time it had ever happened.



I'm calling bullsh# on it right now.


Flag + star + seconded


Calling absolute bull# as well. This is a sham of the highest order, a total disinformation hit job taking a standard/non-interesting/non-exciting incident and using it to attack Trump (they've also falsely tricked their followers into believing lawful contact with Russia is somehow a crime)


Yes. Complete shams often lead to indictments and guilty pleas, right?

If it's a sham and non-interesting/exciting, why doesn't Trump just admit what took place and move on?

But he doesn't. He continues to deny and obfuscate.

If we believe what you say, Trump appears to be a part of the disinfo campaign.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: DBCowboy

Are you saying the Soviet Union before the fall and the United States of America in 2016 are the same?





Hmmm, would you mind elaborating your point? What does 1996 Russia and 2016 America have to do with the USSR?


The USSR knew nothing about elections or campaigns.
It was less than 7 years since the Berlin wall fell.
Yeltsins opponent, Zyuganov, represented the COMMUNIST party promising a return to USSR communism.
The choice was between democratic reform and a return to communism.

Yeltsin hired 4 US political consultants and one Russian X-Pat because obviously Campaign talent was hard to find in a country still emerging from a communist dictatorship.

I missed the part where any of those guys worked for the US gov? But it is easy to miss when the article isn't actually linked to but rather used for deflecting by Trump supporters defending Vladimir Putin.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Please refer to Xcathdra's topic on the matter. The indictments ignore crucial evidence in the public domain.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 01:03 PM
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But he doesn't. He continues to deny and obfuscate.


He continues to deny and obfuscate that he was involved in any crimes.

He also doubts the assessments by a minority of intelligence community professionals. As President, it is his job to ensure the information he's given is accurate and not clouded by partisan politics or personal vendettas. Our relations with the world's largest nuclear power is at stake, after all.

And a mishap in intelligence could be the difference between a peaceful co-existence (perhaps even an alliance, like in WW2) or another wasteful cold-war or even a world ending hot war.

Trump/the GOP has tried for years to secure our elections from foreign nationals/internal threats. If you recall, left wing groups like the ACLU have fought continually against this effort. I don't know what else they expect.
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

You also forget about Ukraine.

You realize how that all started right? Nuland's coup?

Leaked telecommunication intercepts proves Obama/Nuland/Piyatty was behind the illegal coup in Ukraine.

You can hardly blame the populace for democratically voting to leave that hot-bed of corruption. I'd expect a Democrat, of all people, to recognize the people's popular will.



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