GOP & NRA-connected Russian 'Gun Rights Activist' Maria Butina Arrested

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Devino

Burn them all get the foreign influence out.

Or make a law. Definitely tighter restrictions at least.

We are a global market and fast becoming a global society, there is no way to remove foreign influence over the US. Disclosure and restrictions are a must.

a reply to: Devino

I respectfully disagree.
All foreign influence must go.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: murphy22

OMG!!
That's quite a disturbing suggestion! Could this be an attempt to take down the NRA?
...
That can't be, or they would seriously be trying to start a civil war.

Yep.



Protests didn't work, now agents of Rushya!

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Devino

I respectfully disagree.
All foreign influence must go.

Especially those that are illicit.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Baloney.

So it's all made up then?

The hyperbolic histrionic reaction absolutely is.

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: neo96
So now Gun rights is an evil Russian machination!

What the eff ever.

Maybe Trump haters should run background checks on their own people an sees what comes up.

The NRA is a Russian organization now! roflmao

The NRA was nothing more than a vehicle for her and Russia to make infiltrate the GOP and connect with Republican Politicians that pander to it as well as facilitate the funneling of illegal foreign funds to Putins candidates of choice.

March 2018
Depth Of Russian Politician's Cultivation Of NRA Ties Revealed
www.npr.org...

Russian politician Alexander Torshin said his ties to the NRA provided him access to Donald Trump — and the opportunity to serve as a foreign election observer in the United States during the 2012 election.

January 2018
FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump
www.mcclatchydc.com...

However, the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race.

There is a potential money flow from Sanctioned Russian Oligarch Torshin (who employed Batina) to the NRA and from the NRA to the Trump Campaign.

Read more here: www.mcclatchydc.com...=cpy

a reply to: soberbacchus

When Putin explained his offer during the press conference, he also accused U.S. officials of committing crimes against Russia and said his government would want to question them in return.
He specifically cited Bill Browder, a former high-level investor in Russia who has become one of Putin's most oft-cited enemies for his role in lobbying for the U.S. sanctions bill known as the Magnitsky Act.
That bill, which imposed punitive sanctions against Russia, was named after Browder's lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky, who died in police custody in Russia.
During the press conference on Monday, Putin said Browder's associates sent $400 million in campaign contributions to Hillary Clinton's campaign during the 2016 election

www.cnbc.com...

400 million....
Where is the outrage???

a reply to: theantediluvian

Torshin also reflected on their spycraft in a private Twitter exchange with Butina in 2016, according to the FBI.

"It is not about winning today's fight (although we are striving for it) but to win the entire battle. This is the battle for the future, it cannot be lost!" he wrote, according to private messages published in court documents.

She responded that "harsh and impetuous moves will ruin everything early."

[Torshin]: "Patience and cold blood + faith in yourself. And everything will definitely turn out," he wrote.

www.cnn.com...

also this

The case against a Russian agent infiltrating the Republican Party may be larger than just the one arrest.

Newly unsealed court documents show that prosecutors indicated in a court filing on Saturday their investigation into the Russian foreign agent had more than one subject.

"The government will continue its investigation after execution of the arrest warrant," the prosecutors wrote to the judge. "And disclosure of the arrest warrant would jeopardize the investigation by providing the subjects of the investigation an opportunity to destroy evidence

a reply to: shooterbrody

Browder's associates were Americans.

Apart from that Putin lies a lot, so not sure where he gets his numbers.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Baloney.

So it's all made up then?

The hyperbolic histrionic reaction absolutely is.

It's a factual arrest warrant for a woman that was cultivating GOP politicians via the NRA.

The only hyperbolic reactions I see are the Trump cult followers deflecting.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: shooterbrody

Browder's associates were Americans.

Apart from that Putin lies a lot, so not sure where he gets his numbers.

Why am I surprised at he lack of outrage?
Its only bad for the GOP or NRA or whatever other organization you disagree with politically.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: shooterbrody

FBI agents who heard his testimony did not think that he was lying.

There have been suggestions that disgraced Peter Strzok, who was present at the interviews, altered the 302's.

Flynn held out for a long time, but after he was pretty much broke from lawyer fees, and the FBI threatened his son, he gave in and pleaded..

Almost forgot to add: There was the mysterious sudden recusal of the judge in the case - Contreras. There were text messages showing that Strzok was friends with Contreras.

Notice that his sentencing has continuously been delayed.

I dont know why people are so hung up on an agent thinking he wasnt lying. The point of those interviews isnt to necessarily catch them during the interview. The agents can go over the information they already have after interview and refer back to it if they find evidence in the future. Flynn just didnt appear to be lying when he was in the intervew. Same thing people who work sleazy sales and con men do every single day.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: burdman30ott6

That's nice. Except she's not in Russia, lobbying her government for stronger gun rights. She's in the United States, being paid and directed by sanction Russian politician and banker, Alexander Torshin, to cultivate relationships to exert pro-Kremlin influence over the US government.

Baloney.

Thats not my word for it....

a reply to: theantediluvian

LOL,another liberal click bait with misleading title,it's getting juvenile,you kids should be looking at books,not free porn sites,get more relevant info there,she failed to report as an agent,far cry from click bait

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: theantediluvian

newrepublic.com...
She formed an organization in Russia 7 years ago called "The Right To Bear Arms" which was Russia's first movement to advocate for national firearm rights. The connection between her and the NRA was formed from this movement in Russia, one which saw her invited to the NRA's women in leadership council events to assist her with obtaining the fundamental right of firearm ownership for Russian citizens. In other words, she's been a human rights advocate who was befriended by one of America's primary human rights groups.

I wonder...
Is it possible that the reason that this woman did not register as an agent of Russia was because she actually was NOT acting with approval from her government? Perhaps she overstated her connections.

Putin is certainly not in favor of gun rights. I don't think that Putin would have condoned her actions in the US.

It actually appears that Butina was working, not particularly "against" her government, but it seems in a way that is meant to pressure Putin into something that he does not want. If she had help from within Russia, it may have been from those who oppose Putin's anti-gun policy.

I think Butina was hoping that if the US remains successful in our gun rights, that it would help her cause in Russia. That's it. This has more to do with helping the PEOPLE of Russia, rather than the government.

U.S. gun enthusiasts live in constant fear of the federal government confiscating their weapons. For Russian gun owners, such a fear may be about to become a reality. On April 14, President Vladimir Putin, announced the formation of a new National Guard, and declared one of its key fuctions would be to control firearms.

Maria Butina is the founder of Russia's first gun rights advocacy group. A tall, red-headed Siberian native in her late 20s, Butina called the group "The Right to Bear Arms," and it now boasts 10,000 members.

While the government looks at ways of increasing public safety by reducing gun onwnership, Butina's movement argues the opposite is the only answer. When crime increases, they say, ordinary people should be armed.
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Butina's group can claim moderate success in influencing government policy. Two years ago, they collected 100,000 signatures petitioning the government to pass the so-called castle doctrine law, legislation that grants citizens the right to defend themselves and their property from danger using lethal force.

source

a reply to: theantediluvian

Love the spin to make it seem like the 2nd Amendment is some Russian agenda.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: theantediluvian

Love the spin to make it seem like the 2nd Amendment is some Russian agenda.

Well everybody knows the nra is evil, and the dems haven't been able to debate around it. Making the nra into another rusha bogeyman seems to be the only play the left is capable of these days.
Remember "they" dont want to take our guns.......

Magats will always come to the aid of the orange one regardless. Is there anything trump could do to lose your support? Didn’t think so. a reply to: BlueAjah

a reply to: soundguy

What does this thread have to do with Trump?

originally posted by: BlueAjah

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: theantediluvian

newrepublic.com...
She formed an organization in Russia 7 years ago called "The Right To Bear Arms" which was Russia's first movement to advocate for national firearm rights. The connection between her and the NRA was formed from this movement in Russia, one which saw her invited to the NRA's women in leadership council events to assist her with obtaining the fundamental right of firearm ownership for Russian citizens. In other words, she's been a human rights advocate who was befriended by one of America's primary human rights groups.

I wonder...
Is it possible that the reason that this woman did not register as an agent of Russia was because she actually was NOT acting with approval from her government? Perhaps she overstated her connections.

They have communications between her and Russia going back a while. Her working for the Russian government with Torshin as her employer/handler is not in question.

Putin is certainly not in favor of gun rights.

Right. All the more telling that she got funding and organization from Putin's close friends (aka sanctioned oligarch criminal org.)

Putin exploited the NRA's close ties to GOP politicians to arrange meetings, cultivate sources and gather intelligence.


Putin has killed hundreds of journalists and political opposition members for the smallest of slights.

The idea that Putin's close friends/Oligarchs would fund a guns right org in opposition to Putin's own native policy tells you everything you need to know.

Her gun rights org was a front.