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Senator Schumer Says Trump Is Weak, Disgraceful And a Pushover For Taking Putin's Word

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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:14 PM
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Countries do this all the time to spies and other people that threaten their nation in any way. We have the CIA that kills people in our country, as well as outside of our country without bias, and they have immunity no matter where they go. The UK, has MI-5 and MI-6. Russians have the FSB and the FIS which evolved from the KGB etc. This has been in every Government all through history. It's called the Secret Services (or whatever each country calls it's version of our CIA). Clandestine killing for political reasons, and the Government looking the other way, instead of investigating.




posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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Lol now that sounds like a truly scared little globalist puppet

Goodnight chuck



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04




If I claim my investigative work turned up lots of proof you committed a murder before you were even born what would you say about that?


I'd say that Obama did it when he went back in time and inserted his fake birth certificate into the Hawaiian birth record system.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: rnaa

I think Trump should have demanded that non-existent company Mueller indicted send a reply to the indictment.


Except that it is NOT 'non-existent' and it WAS operating in the time frame that is under discussion. It has been operating since at least 1995 and has been operating in the Russian Defense industry since at least 2014.

Please notice the dates mentioned in the following (for your convenience I have made it impossible to miss those dates).

(Source)



Concord Management and Consulting (Russian: Конкорд Менеджмент и Консалтинг) is a member of the Concord company group, which is half owned by Yevgeny Prigozhin.[1][2] Based in St. Petersburg, Russia, it owns and operates several restaurants. It is also the parent company of Concord Catering.[2]

The company was founded by Yevgeny Prigozhin in 1995.[3] He was the listed owner until 2009. His mother, Violetta Prigozhin, has been the listed owner since 2011.[4]

"North Versailles" (Russian: Северный Версаль) is a luxury housing development in the Lahti-Primorsky district of St. Petersburg built and managed by Concord Management and Consulting.[5] The development closed a section of Novaya Street to the public by erecting gates with armed guards. This was controversial because city records showed the street as still a public right of way.[6]

Concord Management and Consulting owns 50% of LLC Megaline (Russian: Мегалайн).[7] Megaline received most of the capital construction contracts for the Russian military in 2016 in what appears to have been a rigged bidding process.[8][9] Concord Management and Consulting's lawyers provided a package of amendments to the Ministry of Defense to change the laws in a way that would allow Megaline to bid for the contracts since it otherwise wasn't qualified. The amendments were submitted to the Duma by the government on February 11, 2014, and adopted on April 16, 2014.[10]

On June 20, 2017, The United States Treasury Department added Concord Management and Consulting to the list of companies sanctioned for Russia's military interventions in Crimea and the Ukraine.[11]

Dmitry Utkin (ru), also under sanctions,[11] became the CEO of Concord Management and Consulting on November 14, 2017.[2][12] Utkin is the founder of Wagner Group a private military contractor. He replaced Anastasia Sautina.

Indictment

A February 2018 indictment by the United States Justice Department alleged that Concord Management and Consulting began operations in 2014 with the intention to financially support a group known as the Internet Research Agency which allegedly interfered with the 2016 United States Presidential election won by Donald J. Trump.[13][14]

An initial hearing was in May 2018.[15



Finally, notice that the Trump Administration imposed sanctions on the supposedly non-existent company for their actions during the Russian invasion of The Crimea and intervention in the Eastern Ukraine - both of which happened in 2014.

So if this company didn't exist in the 2016 to commit the crimes they are accused of, explain how they were founded in 1995, were able to influence the Russian Parliament to change defense contract qualification rules in 2014 so they could get into the industry and stick their fingers into Crimea and Eastern Ukraine in 2014?

Did you notice who it was that said the company didn't exist? Was it an independent analyst with no agenda to defend the company?

Do you have a functioning BS meter or are you so locked into the Russian propaganda echo chamber you cannot figure out how to chew gum and read at the same time?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician



In fact, in 1948 there was a law created, called the Smith-Mundt Act, which made it illegal for the press to lie to citizens or to propagate fake news to deceive....Obama overturned that in 2012.


This is 100% misinformation. The only thing that is correct is the year 1948, the name "Smith-Mundt Act", and the year of the most recent amendment.

The Smith-Mundt Act did NOT make it "illegal" for the press to lie to citizens. It barred the State Department's "Voice of America" organization from broadcasting material in the United States that it had developed for audiences outside of the USA borders. For emphasis: The SMA applies ONLY to the VOA, NOT 'the press' in general - it doesn't have anything to do with lies or truth - it has to do with providing radio service to countries and peoples who otherwise have no radio service or only one sided anti-American radio service.

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Section 501(a) of the Act (care of the Voice of America Web site) provides that

"information produced by VOA for audiences outside the United States shall not be disseminated within the United States … but, on request, shall be available in the English language at VOA, at all reasonable times following its release as information abroad, for examination only by representatives of United States press associations, newspapers, magazines, radio systems, and stations, and by research students and scholars, and, on request, shall be made available for examination only to Members of Congress."

"This means that VOA is forbidden to broadcast within the United States." In reality, of course, any American with a shortwave receiver or an Internet connection can listen to VOA. This is incidental, however. VOA cannot direct or intend its programs to be "for" Americans. This distinction is often lost on experts who see the letter of the law, but with no real understanding of the media. George W. Bush-era State Department official James K. Glassman has called for directing VOA at American audiences.



Obama DID NOT 'overturn' the law in 2012. Yes, of course Obama signed the law, but the law was written and passed by the Republican controlled House of Representatives and Senate. And it was NOT overturned, it was amended to allow VOA material to be made available to American broadcasters.

In fact (source)



The agency wants to reach diaspora communities, such as St. Paul, Minnesota’s significant Somali expat community. "Those people can get al-Shabab, they can get Russia Today, but they couldn’t get access to their taxpayer-funded news sources like VOA Somalia," the source said. "It was silly."

Lynne added that the reform has a transparency benefit as well. "Now Americans will be able to know more about what they are paying for with their tax dollars — greater transparency is a win-win for all involved," she said. And so with that we have the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, which passed as part of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, and went into effect this month.
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That of course doesn’t leave the BBG off the hook if its content smacks of agitprop. But now that its materials are allowed to be broadcast by local radio stations and TV networks, they won’t be a complete mystery to Americans. "Previously, the legislation had the effect of clouding and hiding this stuff," the former U.S. official told The Cable. "Now we’ll have a better sense: Gee some of this stuff is really good. Or gee some of this stuff is really bad. At least we’ll know now."




But for BBG officials, the references to Pentagon propaganda efforts are nauseating, particularly because the Smith-Mundt Act never had anything to do with regulating the Pentagon, a fact that was misunderstood in media reports in the run-up to the passage of new Smith-Mundt reforms in January.

One example included a report by the late BuzzFeed reporter Michael Hastings, who suggested that the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act would open the door to Pentagon propaganda of U.S. audiences. In fact, as amended in 1987, the act only covers portions of the State Department engaged in public diplomacy abroad (i.e. the public diplomacy section of the "R" bureau, and the Broadcasting Board of Governors.)

But the news circulated regardless, much to the displeasure of Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-TX), a sponsor of the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012. "To me, it’s a fascinating case study in how one blogger was pretty sloppy, not understanding the issue and then it got picked up by Politico‘s Playbook, and you had one level of sloppiness on top of another," Thornberry told The Cable last May. "And once something sensational gets out there, it just spreads like wildfire."


In other words, fake news.



This is a fact, look it up...


OK, challenge accepted (see above). And BS detected. Your assertion is busted and exposed as a lie.


but you didn't hear THAT on your free press did you?


Yes, in fact, I heard BOTH SIDES on 'my' free press - did you even make any attempt to figure it out for yourself?.

Once more for effect: the act has NOTHING TO DO WITH either "Truth" or "Lies" being told by the 'Press'. In fact the only thing that had anything like that effect was the "FCC Fairness Doctrine" which was abolished in 1987 when the President was RONALD REAGAN.


edit on 17/7/2018 by rnaa because: added more info about 2012 amendment



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: CigaretteByrnes

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Blarneystoner
So y'all would rather that the US looks weak and unable to defend our own elections from outside interference? It shouldn't matter which party the meddling benefited from.

Talking points aside... Trump acts like a boot licking pussy while Putin sabotages our democracy and y'all just think it's great! It doesn't take much common sense to understand that we're being sold down the river for a few dollars to line Trump's and his buddies bank vaults.

Yes... he's a traitor. Plain as the nose on your face.


You mean when Russia played both sides to cause division and unrest? Just as they continue to do online on a host of different issues? You mean like what both sides have been doing for 50+ years?

I think the only way we look weak is if we fall into their trap, or raise such a big stink over it as if it hasn't been happening for decades.

You are entitled to your opinion, but mine is the more we bitch about what they did the more they laugh.

As I've asked many other people projecting the same sentiment as you, what do you suggest we do?


Admit the meddling occurred and take steps to prevent in the future.

Stop attacking our own intelligence orgs

Stop taking the word of those accused of meddling

Demand extradition of the 12 indicted.

Impose sanctions if not extradited

Stop licking Putin's boots


Too late, man. His supporters have breached the threshold and believe all those things to be positives. They're in here celebrating it.


Wonder what they're doing now.... wonder what they'll be doing in December.
edit on 18-7-2018 by Blarneystoner because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: rnaa




Obama DID NOT 'overturn' the law in 2012. Yes, of course Obama signed the law, but the law was written and passed by the Republican controlled House of Representatives and Senate. And it was NOT overturned, it was amended to allow VOA material to be made available to American broadcasters.

well that was under Obama watch.... interestingly
No wonder Mother Jones blasted it as a meaningless attempt to censor State department propaganda, and they even give the reason why...

n fact, Smith-Mundt’s origins were rooted in a desire to censor the State Department on the home front, placating members of Congress who distrusted it on ideological grounds. In the lead-up to the bill’s passage in 1948, conservative Democrats and Republicans alike argued that the US government’s foreign affairs staff had been infiltrated with communists and couldn’t be trusted. Rep. Christian Herter (R-Mass.) demanded guarantees from a State Department official that VOA was “not being used as a vehicle for distribution of left-wing philosophy and social and other ideas that many Republicans regard as dangerous.” Eugene Cox (D-Ga.) attacked State as “chock full of Reds” and “the lousiest outfit in town.”
www.motherjones.com...

Incidentally when I went to that page the first thing an ad comes up suggesting readers to abolish ICE.... not blatant or anything....



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: shawmanfromny


If McCain is upset? Trump did the right thing, Schumer goes without saying and who cares what the Communist Brennan thinks?


Oh the irony... LMAO.... you realize that all of Russia is Communist right?



That is a valid statement if you have a time machine.


Yep... mistaken. I do find it ironic that people here are defending and siding with Russia/Putin against their own country. Maybe they should expatriate...


No one is sticking up for Putin but you and the Deep state shills we are discussing!
Would you rather have WAR or Diplomacy to prevent a WAR????

Your Trump hatred is blinding you from using some common sense.


Err... no. Funny how the events of the last day or two makes a YUGE difference. Common sense is in short supply and the POTUS isn't cornering the market on it... that's for sure.

"Would you rather have WAR or Diplomacy to prevent a WAR????"

lmao.... wait aren't you the guy who just told me I'm not using common sense? Common sense tells me that we aren't anywhere near WAR!!!! We haven't even sanctioned the Rooskies..... calm down fella.... have another bowl of Fruit Loops.
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

or the open mic that heard Obama say after the election we will be nicer to you.

well Trump tweeted a video clip of Hillary saying how wonderful the Russians are and we should be nicer to them.



posted on Aug, 19 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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posted on Aug, 19 2018 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: fakenewscnn4566765gg

I hate people that spam threads.

Can't wait for your first thread. Actually, I can.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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