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posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: face23785

Let's be honest, in this political landscape no one wants to talk about solutions to this problem.

The right wants to downplay it, and the left just wants to use it as a source for rhetoric to discredit the current administration as a whole (even though this isn't even close to the first time something like this has happened).

What is the difference between online social media propaganda vs their state run media? And if we ask that question, we should touch on whether our not our media plays a role in elections and affairs in other countries. We get to the same conclusion before we even humor anything the CIA may be engaged in.

All that said, it's all about winning for both sides, not solutions.





posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: underwerks

Trump doesn't trust his own Intelligence Agency. He basically stated that on the world stage. It's very concerning to hear him say this.

He has reasons not to trust them, since they were out to get hime.... but as the leader of the free world, he messed up bigtime by not supporting their intelligence and giving Putin a pass.

I expect his approval rating will be dropping a few points. He does nothing to help himself...he just put fuel on the fire.


I’m no fan of the CIA, but I’d trust them before I’d trust Putin and the KGB when it comes to Americas best interest.

Good lord.


Suggest you read up about some of the “great” things the CIA has done for Americas best interests. Start with the drug wars and standing up of drug cartels...


Which is why I said I’m not fan of them. But it’s the height of stupidity for a sitting president to trust a hostile nations security service over our own.


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posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword


The intel agencies knew before the election Trump was compromised by Russia

Really? Why have they not presented that evidence? Are you saying the intel community is covering for Trump now?

Rosenstein just declared that "no Americans" were implicated. You do realize Trump is an American, right?

To everyone else:

Notice that every single thread about Putin and this meeting is quickly derailed by comments like this having nothing whatsoever to do with the Putin meeting. Something is afoot, and it's not Trump doing it.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

If I have to read "we do it too" one more time....

I get it. That's the company line.

I think I'd like an example since everybody keeps claiming it actually.


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posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

We do it too.



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: face23785

The only absurdity was the fake president himself. Anyone that cannot see that he is compromised is either brain dead or an actual traitor to this nation. Impeachment should begin now.


"Any one who does not agree with me = brain dead."

I'm not going to sit here and say that Trump is the best thing since sliced bread, he's definitely got a host of cons and a few pros. But to call anyone who does support him brain dead or traitors just fuels the bigotry problem in this country. And that problem exists with certain people on both sides, not all, just some.



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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Following Trumps logic here, if you want to stop your house from being robbed just leave your front door open and invite the burglar in and give him what he wants.

See, now we’re at peace!

Again, good lord. Either he’s extremely stupid or he’s complicit. There really aren’t any other choices at this point.



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: CriticalStinker

If I have to read "we do it too" one more time....

I get it. That's the company line.

I think I'd like an example since everybody keeps claiming it actually.


We do it too...



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: CriticalStinker

If I have to read "we do it too" one more time....

I get it. That's the company line.

I think I'd like an example since everybody keeps claiming it actually.

Here ya go.


Bags of cash delivered to a Rome hotel for favored Italian candidates. Scandalous stories leaked to foreign newspapers to swing an election in Nicaragua. Millions of pamphlets, posters and stickers printed to defeat an incumbent in Serbia. The long arm of Vladimir Putin? No, just a small sample of the United States’ history of intervention in foreign elections.


There is an excerpt from NYT. And if you do a little bit of research those are just a few of the instances.

Edit: now could you answer my several questions on how you think we should address or fix the problem (I'll agree there is one).

Here is a few from me. Teach critical thinking and civics in our schools again, not half assed. Have oversight to make sure we aren't constantly blowing money and making enemies with our foreign projection that benefits large corporations. Sit down and have civil honest talks with foreign leaders to mend ties (diplomacy).

I'd love to hear your ideas.
edit on 16-7-2018 by CriticalStinker because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
Following Trumps logic here, if you want to stop your house from being robbed just leave your front door open and invite the burglar in and give him what he wants.

See, now we’re at peace!

Again, good lord. Either he’s extremely stupid or he’s complicit. There really aren’t any other choices at this point.


I think he’s got paid in the Rosneft deal, big money!


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posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Agit8dChop

No I didn't say that. He needs to confront him with the evidence and demand extradition of those perpetrators. And he needs to demand they back off the elections or face further sanctions.
He needs to stand up to him.


What should Trump do when he accuses Putin of hacking the US, then Putin shows him proof that the US CIA hacked Russia? Tell him that is a different thing? You lack critical thought bigley.



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
Following Trumps logic here, if you want to stop your house from being robbed just leave your front door open and invite the burglar in and give him what he wants.

See, now we’re at peace!

Again, good lord. Either he’s extremely stupid or he’s complicit. There really aren’t any other choices at this point.


Again, if people are just going to repeat rhetoric and continue to blame a boogeyman for our woes, what do you suggest we do to fix our political climate?

Is it possible the last election had a host of issues with it besides the Russians? Could it be we didn't run the best candidates? Could Bernie have defeated Trump if he was given a fair shake? What can we do in the future to help our own political system rather than blaming other countries, or further, how do we secure ourselves from (at this time perceived) attempts to sway our elections?



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: UKTruth


Lol, what's the problem?


I’d say giving a foreign government the authority to question and prosecute people in America is a bad thing.

I’m not surprised you disagree with me.



Actually, it's observing US authorities questioning citizens that have committed crimes against Russia and vice versa.
I
Not surprised you don't actually understand the point, or if you do would against it. It's put up or shut up time.

So you trust Putin?

(Not asking because I really care, just that the level of doublethink put on display in your posts is very interesting, and I’m a fan of psychology)


What has trust got to do with it?
He just offered for his law enforcement people to question the 12 men in the presence of Mueller.
If the right questions are not posed or answered, Mueller will know.
Mueller won't touch it because he has nothing and he will lose control of the information, with the public most likely able to see the questions and answers...not good for the political campaign pretending to be an investigation.

Perhaps brush up on your psychology studies. You currently get an F.



What are you even talking about? Trust has every thing to do with it. You’d actually trust what would come out of the Russian government questioning itself?



That pretty much says it all people.

Good day.


Trust has zero to do with a law enforcement officer carrying out the formal questioning of a suspect.
If you go into a process of questioning a suspect whilst holding the view you have, then you lose perspective of the job at hand - indeed that is exactly the mindset the disgraced Peter Strzok had.

Please don't ever get involved in law enforcement and certainly not anything to do with the judicial branch. Stick to your bad psychology.

Quite simply Mueller has been given the opportunity to be on hand for the questioning of his suspects. He either grabs it or is shown up as a political hack.

Good evening.
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posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: face23785

The only absurdity was the fake president himself. Anyone that cannot see that he is compromised is either brain dead or an actual traitor to this nation. Impeachment should begin now.


"Any one who does not agree with me = brain dead."

I'm not going to sit here and say that Trump is the best thing since sliced bread, he's definitely got a host of cons and a few pros. But to call anyone who does support him brain dead or traitors just fuels the bigotry problem in this country. And that problem exists with certain people on both sides, not all, just some.


Truth.



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

Uh huh and??? Here's an example...



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker




how do we secure ourselves from (at this time perceived) attempts to sway our elections?



Demand the media report all facts and all sides with fairness and quit with so much opinion reporting being passed off as real reporting. Have a disclaimer at the beginning of a segment informing the public that the following broadcast is 99% opinion.

The slobbering support for Hillary (Obama's 3rd term) was over the top in the last election. How many were persuaded to vote for her because of this type of "reporting".

90% of msm's reporting on DJT was negative and almost all opinion and misrepresentation. If it hadn't been for his hard work, rallies, tweets, and tell-it-like-it-is style, we might be dealing with a real criminal cartel running things.

FBI and CIA operatives should not be allowed to represent themselves as journalists and reporters on regular news broadcasts nightly. Get rid of that little propaganda operation.



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posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: CriticalStinker




how do we secure ourselves from (at this time perceived) attempts to sway our elections?



Demand the media report all facts and all sides with fairness and quit with so much opinion reporting.

The slobbering support for Hillary (Obama's 3rd term) was over the top in the last election.

90% of msm's reporting on DJT was negative and almost all opinion and misrepresentation. If it hadn't been for his hard work, rallies, tweets, and tell-it-like-it-is style, we might be dealing with a real criminal cartel running things.

FBI and CIA operatives should not be allowed to represent themselves as journalists and reporters on regular news broadcasts nightly. Get rid of that little propaganda operation.




No, you can't demand the media report things accurately. That's an "attack on Democracy".



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: underwerks
Following Trumps logic here, if you want to stop your house from being robbed just leave your front door open and invite the burglar in and give him what he wants.

See, now we’re at peace!

Again, good lord. Either he’s extremely stupid or he’s complicit. There really aren’t any other choices at this point.


Again, if people are just going to repeat rhetoric and continue to blame a boogeyman for our woes, what do you suggest we do to fix our political climate?

Is it possible the last election had a host of issues with it besides the Russians? Could it be we didn't run the best candidates? Could Bernie have defeated Trump if he was given a fair shake? What can we do in the future to help our own political system rather than blaming other countries, or further, how do we secure ourselves from (at this time perceived) attempts to sway our elections?


Last I checked, a bogeyman doesn’t exist. Trump just had a press conference with the KGB president of Russia, so they aren’t exactly a bogeyman. They were just on TV. It seems it’s not me spouting rhetoric. (Though I understand anything you disagree with will be classified as “rhetoric”, but I digress..)

All it would take to fix our political climate would be Trump not attacking and labeling everyone who disagrees with him as the enemy. But you know that, and that isn’t what this thread is about. And while I respect your effort to take this thread off topic the fact remains that the president just said on live TV that he trusts Vladimir Putin and the KGB more than he trusts the people who advise him.

That is insane. And if you are defending that, it’s only an indication of how logically and politically compromised everyone who thinks like you has become.



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: JinMI


It's sad and worrisome that those in the high ranks of the IC have politicised and pulled those agencies in such extreme partisan manners.


...or Trump and friends have gone scorched earth on our own intelligence agencies to own the Democrats.

The FBI, CIA and NSA are all run by Trump appointees. Trump admitted point blank that *HIS* DNI, Dan Coats, told him it was the Russians. He then basically said, "Putin denies it so who knows?"

Help me understand how this makes sense. I don't agree with it but at least doubting Obama appointees as partisans doing Obama's bidding is arguable. Now that chapter is closed. Trump made his appointments. Those people made their own staffing changes.

What's the justification for not believing them either?



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: face23785



......I added an edit. At least, have a disclaimer at the beginning of the broadcast!




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