Trump says "European Union Is A Foe"

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: watchitburn

I said my piece. And I know anything I say will be derailed and deflected into a random shouting match and radical, non rhetoric and biased opinions around here. History is history, it's done, you cannot change it. And after WW1 they became the world police in return for global wealth. Simple as that, and now they are losing grip of it and being backed into a corner, and lashing out blaming EVERYONE else for their OWN issues, you made your bed. NOT the rest of the world.

American Invention and Entrepreneurship created the American wealth you speak of.

The rest of the world has largely been built by the wealth that America generated. The world has been built by selling more goods to the US than they buy. It's time for the rest of the world to build their own economies or fall flat on their faces. We will not continue to bail everyone out at the expense of the US citizens.

Most of NATO doesn't even pay what they agreed to protect themselves. While America spends an insane amount of money policing the world. How exactly does policing the world generate wealth?

Do you understand economics at all?

After ww2 country's accepted that the USD would become the world trading currency = free money. So with this free lunch that other country's are using the USD for trading the US became rich.
And now that the US hardly makes products them self anymore that other country's buy and the crazy defense spending and stupid wars the US now spends at least 1000 billion / year more then have.
So now that the US is doing bad economically / can't compete with for example cars made in Europe Trump calls it unfair?
Also with making Russia an enemy again and now saying the EU should spend more on defense = just business! the only real profit to make in the US still is creating conflicts worldwide and selling weapons = just profit!

The EU helped with those stupid wars in the ME = countless of people fleeing to Europe. Europe putting sanctions as wanted by the US on Russia = hundreds of billions in trade lost for Europe and for the US it doesn't cost anything of course, nope just a change selling more weapons and that the EU and Russia would become friends would mean that the US is loosing control as well on world matters.

So with being friends with the US is for Europe just a bad thing really!

Trump is making everyone the foe of the United States.

Not surprising that he hates the free world and longest standing US allies while heaping praise on Russia, Saudi and NK. US is cosying up to their style of 'government'.

Surely it's a fact that countries are competitors. Trump qualified the term "foe" as to mean competitor. Why are people so afraid of a politician stating the facts.

The EU is not a haven of free trade, nor is the US. However, the US seems to have allowed an imbalance in tariffs to happen. This is manifest in EU protectionism around imports, for example a 20% tariff on grapes to protect the French and Spanish; 17% tariff on apples to protect the (er) French producers. The protectionism around services curtailing any trade. The oft cited example of the EU levelling a 10% cut on US cars, while the US only levels 2.5% on cars made in the EU - notably Germany.

As the UK have also discovered, the so called "EU internal market" is also design to protect nations and inhibits the trade in services, a large part of the UK economy. This may also explain why the UK has such a large trade deficit with the rest of the EU - they want to sell the UK their goods, but don't give us access to their national markets in services.

The EU is protectionist, and protectionist in a way that directly benefits Germany (for the manufactured goods), and France (for the agricultural goods). That's not healthy for the members of the EU, nor is it healthy for a mutually respectful relationship with allies, such as the US.

If the EU really wants to act on this then they need to take a breath and start acting like friends.

a reply to: infolurker

The UE is just another part of the UN,in other words NWO,yes they are the enemy,not unlike socialist's starting riots and such here,mindless minions

a reply to: paraphi
You're dead right and this protectionism is negatively impacting the poorest in our societies.

Food, clothes and footwear have some of the highest EU tariffs placed on them, yet they make up the highest proportion of the poorest households’ spending!

fullfact.org...

The EU have some of the highest and unfair tariffs in the World, yet when Trump raises some tariffs he is evil and going to cause WW3. More double standards while Trump is again brutally correct in what he is saying.

a reply to: 83Liberty

The difference is still pretty small though:
global.handelsblatt.com...

The unweighted average EU customs duty is 5.2 percent, versus the US rate of 3.5 percent, according to ifo’s database.

Overall, tariffs totaling $5.7 billion were levied on US exports to the EU in 2015. The far greater volume of EU exports into the US were subject to customs duties of just $7.1 billion. This does not even take into account the inhibitory effect of the higher EU tariffs on the volume of US exports. The US is not blame-free. The lower average level of tariffs masks higher duties that hit particular European products, from 9 percent on chocolate to 20 percent on key milk products, and 25 percent on small trucks.

Also there are many EU car factory's in the US which means many jobs in the US.

Just face it, even in the USA people don't like US cars that much, even when maybe cheaper, let alone in Europe. Only ford is still doing ok in Europe at least, that's about it!
And tariffs are not THE reason that US cars are doing badly.

this is how these trump / brexit EU threads go

OP makes point about trump , being bad or good with link

posters then rush in to either denounce trump or support him
points are made about international trade
points are made about foreign policy
members start to get patriotic feels
then descend into mud slinging and name calling over whose flag is better !
Who done more in "the war"
WHo is a better person as president
Who has a bigger penis than the other country
(like any of that actually #ing makes any difference to your life as a human being , floating through space on a rock )

when not one single #ing international trade deal made by trump or the EU or brexit , will have any impact on you the citizen of the US or the UK or European countries other than to make your life more difficult as the trade deals , fortify already strong avenues of revenue which only serve the parties involved in the deal.

But aye , keep getting angry at each other over these trade deals , they are totally helping us all to live better more fulfilled, and enriched lives free from oppression , poverty and hardship!

a reply to: sapien82

I agree entirely; all smoke in mirrors, its complete bollocks.

Trump may indeed be making some valid points on this, but there is no consistency or coherence to his ramblings.

And regardless of what trade deals are negotiated and agreed, what tariffs are raised or lowered or how many world leaders Trump cosies up to or criticises the one thing that is absolutely certain is that its NOT for the benefit of the ordinary, everyday people and that the only people that will benefit will be the wealthy, establishment elites be they from the US, UK, EU or wherever.

As for the dick measuring; predictable.
There are a lot of things wrong with the US, same as everywhere, and yes their foreign policies have at times been questionable but one thing is certain, and I know people may flame me for saying this, but the world would be a far worse place without them and the thankless role they have undertaken.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Agreed, but don't tell the europeans or their governments about the effects on their economies. We pump billions in. It would collapse italy's economy if we yanked our military out of there. Germany would go into recession. The UK would probably go into recession, maybe worse. You can forget about spain and the other small countries, they'll be in a world of hurt.

a reply to: Dfairlite

....The UK would probably go into recession, maybe worse....

Not really bothered about the other countries you mention but care to elaborate on this particular statement?

Why would the UK "go into recession, maybe worse" if the USA closed its military bases here?

a reply to: Freeborn

It would depend on how it was done. If it was done over 5-10 years, it could have little impact. However if we just brought everyone home over the next year, you'd have entire communities go bankrupt (I think there are 12 bases, the 6 well known AF bases then the 6 'secret' bases). Add in the speculation in the markets as to what it means for relations between the US and these other countries and you'd easily see a recession. How long it would last, who knows, maybe just a year, maybe much more.

a reply to: Dfairlite

There's one base here in the UK, RAF Lakenheath home of the 48th Fighter Wing.
The rest were shut down years ago.

I'm almost certain there will be a presence at other bases and military installations but it'll be nowhere near the numbers of years gone by.

Hardly enough to send us into recession.

I don't really know about other European countries but I'd be amazed if they haven't been scaled down since the end of the Cold War.

a reply to: sapien82

I don't disagree with your statements.

However, what is the alternative?

a reply to: Freeborn

There are others: Mildenhall, croughton, molesworth, welford, upwood, alconbury, just to name a few. Some shared, some not. All of which were in operation as of a few years ago.

a reply to: rigel4

Ravings. .? Yes foe might be wrong wording adversaries is a better choice. He is right the European union is not what it was meant to be Greek economy was devastated but the union DIDN'T do anything to help them instead they pilfered savings of the poor . And why don't you ask why British people voted to leave the parsitic beaurcracy .

a reply to: Dfairlite

Yes I was wrong, there are more bases, but all other bases are already scheduled be closed in attempt to save the US $500m per year.

An example;
RAF Croughton is a communications station.
I don't doubt for one minute its critically important from an intelligence viewpoint, but hardly critical to the UK's economy.

All US bases apart from RAF Lakenheath are scheduled for closure between 2019 and 2024.

As I said before I'm certain they'll still be a US military presence at other UK bases and installations but not in great numbers.

The loss of these will not be anywhere near enough to cause a country with an annual GDP of around $2.9trillion to go into recession.

a reply to: infolurker

They are foes. They are Globalists and are trying to take over every country, including America to absorb it into the EU and the NWO. Too bad, America is ours and they will NEVER have it. The NWO is no more than the One World Order that the Bible speaks of, which will be ran by the Anti-Christ. Everything is aligning just as the Bible said it would...just like all other prophesies that came true in the Bible. All Liberals are helping the Antichrist come to power, and are as evil as any other antichrist that exists. Say what you want, but when you help the Globalists to install the NWO, you are helping the Antichrist come to power, which means that if YOU are helping Hillary and Obama, who work for these elitists...then YOU are evil.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Exactly

America is ours and they will NEVER have it

It is our property. We are the rightful owners. It is our birthright as Americans.

Our forefathers didn't build this nation and secure liberty so some globalist filth could hand it over to outsiders. Plenty of other garbage countries they can have, but they won't have this one. That simply isn't an an option

Thankfully nationalists have taken control, and will ensure globalism is crushed.

a reply to: Freeborn

I agree, it's a phase out which is the only way to do it without harming other nations economies. I was just thinking along the lines of an immediate withdrawal and what that would mean to the world and the US' allies.