Originally posted by akilles
ML, I find it interesting how you can wow someone by merely saying Ahura-Mazda, however if I subscribed here by the name Ormazd there would be no such
praise, despite denials of ignorance.
I'm not quite sure what you mean; Ahura Mazda and Ormuzd are both names for God in Zoroastrianism, in the Zend dialect. I used "Ahura Mazda" above
because this name is the one found most often in the Avesta, but Ormuzd is equivalent to it.
Any one who bothered to read the initiation of James Shaw into the 33rd degree would know the place of Ahura-Mazda in the Scottish Rite. Hell,
the link was probably posted less than 48 hours ago.
Shaw was never really a 33° Mason, as I've shown previously here. In fact, when he resigned, he was a 32° KCCH (I've previously posted photocopies
of his resignation letter, membership card, Scottish Rite Reunion program, and demit, all confirming that he was a 32° KCCH, not a 33°, as he later
But, regardless, Ahura Mazda is mentioned in the 32°, not the 33°. The 32° contains the teachings and history of Zoroastrianism, which were the
doctrines of the early Magi. Practically the entire ritual of the 32° consists of lectures on ancient Hinduism and Zoroastrianism, accompanied by
readings from the Upanishads and Zend Avesta by the Vedic Poets.
ML, you call me a part of the herd, do you not?
I've said that, in the past, your attacks on Masonry have illustrated what Nietzsche called the "herd mentality", because such attacks seem to
represent a fear of "otherness", or independent thinking. For example, you seem to have implied that there is something amiss in Scottish Rite
Masons discussing Zoroastrianism in initiation ceremonies. Why such a thing would be considered shady by you or anyone else, I have absolutely no
idea, except that most people, i.e., the herd, do not discuss such things, so it makes them uncomfortable.
Then let me assume it is your opinion that any individual attempt at gaining understanding from the Mysteries is doomed? Must one be shown the
way to see for oneself?
I would not say that the individual attempt is doomed; indeed, it must be individualistic, or otherwise it is worthless. This is why the Mysteries
themselves, although practiced in groups of like minded people, taught only by symbol and allegory, leaving the individual to work it out for himself
at his own leisure and convenience.
I would say that no, it is not necessary to be shown the way by another, and to believe that such is even possible can be dangerous in itself. This is
sort of what I implied above; Masonry, for examples, discusses all
schools of thought, and the individual is left to decide for himself which,
if any, is most accurate. The 32° discusses Hinduism and Zoroastrianism; the 28° discusses the Kabalah; the 24° discusses Islam; the 25° - 27°
discuss Christianity. Other degrees discuss various schools of ethics, or political science, or philosopher. The candidate is never told that any of
these doctrines are necessarily correct
; only that they should be contemplated.
[edit on 4-3-2005 by Masonic Light]