Do the Freemasons preserve arcane mystical and occult knowledge in their rituals?

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posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 05:50 PM
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ok i have one question..are freemasons supposed to be enlightened..
it does not reflect with your fukd up attitudes

towards other ignorance/uneducated guesses..
you all seem like you seem better than others..

have you any real experience with the tree of life..
i highly doubt it...possibly i am just ignorant..and am in denial..

i have climbed the tree above and below
and from that i have became a person far different from the way i once was...
and one thing is that i am not mean to others..




posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 06:02 PM
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Yet another admonition to NOT circumvent the censors.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind
ok i have one question..are freemasons supposed to be enlightened..
it does not reflect with your fukd up attitudes


The only f'ed up attitudes in this forum are those of people who accuse certain groups of certain misdeeds without posting even a character's worth of evidence to back it up. Many people from said group only try to educate those that do not seem to know better. Why these guys argue with our explanations, I don't know. On top of that, they have the AUDACITY to tell others that they know more than them, regardless of the fact that they are completely unqualified and uninstructed in said subject. THAT, my friend, is f'ed up.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:30 PM
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I have never accused a Mason on this forum of ANY wrongdoing, except for being dishonest, which in their eyes is being honest, because they took an oath to that effect.

The only other thing I have suggested is that some Masons WHO WERE NOT kicked out (past and present) have been greedy, selfish, arrogant people, and have not been reformed so to speak, but rather used Masonry to further these objectives.

And then to suggest that such individuals would collude... Well, thats just uncalled for, apparently.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
I have never accused a Mason on this forum of ANY wrongdoing, except for being dishonest, which in their eyes is being honest, because they took an oath to that effect.

Why do you say this, because they don’t reveal their ceremonies?



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 11:02 PM
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FED UP...i can understand....i think it is crazy of people to accuse ..take on,assume such roles..they may even be real good people thou it would not show here.
as for masons being greedy and all that so some one writes...
that can be just some of the apples not all,just like all of society....not just~

i know masons and they are great people doing good things,thou i do observe..eeer never mind..whatever i observe i observe in all people

sorry about the fed up part..sounds like a weakness to me.guess we all have one.
perhaps i will stop being so sensitive and see all this as more of a comedy at times..
maybe your the most enlightened..ya know..at first one will seem so enlightened early on the path,then when they are enlighted they will not seem so at all..
hahahehe
yeah it would be kewl 2 c people not stuggling for the others energy,trying to be better then trying to belittle and all that funky jazz
the way i look at it..it is not the survival of the fittest but the survival in adaption

i see lots of ignorance..why are more people not happy,if it is supposed to be bliss..
ignorance is hell

excuse me,like allways i am sure i am out of context,should be my middle name.
stop the brutal ritual of grooming moguls



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind

you all seem like you seem better than others..


You have formed your own opinion without coercion from the Freemasons here. You can hardly complain when we take a look at your next statement....



i have climbed the tree above and below
and from that i have became a person far different from the way i once was.


You accuse Freemasons of seeming arrogance yet time and time again, you have posted drivel stating that you are the one with the answers, that you are the illuminated one. Sorry Yoda, that's what we call hypocrisy.



Akilles. Get down off your high horse. You're a professional liar. You've never called the Freemasons here anything? I only have to take a look at one of your most recent posts to see that you're trying to connect Freemasons with Nazis and you then even go onto the vile little insinuation that we are involved in "unholy sex acts".
Your claims of innocence are a complete waste of time.
I guess that the internet gives you the anonimity to abuse other people in this way and that's fine. If you wish to be a coward and vent some sort of twisted superiority complex, go ahead. But I always comfort myself with the thought that you would never dare be so abusive to anyone in real life, away from you PC - otherwise you'd probably be walking home every night with your teeth in a brown paper bag.
So carry on with your lies and abuse. But don't claim innocence - don't be more of a coward than you already are.



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 07:35 AM
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did not call free masons arrogant...i said you can find that in everyone on earth to some degree..i was saying that it is not a free mason thing..
never said i am the only one with knowledge of secrets either..did i...that would be ludicrous...everyone here has potential...this is all with in us...thou due to our lives the way they are...people do not see.or comprehend...
how could they when they are force fed..and have great walls between them and nature and what is..
how can they when they have to be to work at 8 am and are told over and over what is green and what is red.
i will be honest..i was once enlightened,the carpet was pulled from underneath me..i had other lessons to be learned...great lessons needed..
i am getting back on track...the lessons have been getting greater.and i have been dealing well..
i met a highly spiritual individual recently,they looked at me and said how you have grown..
i am not here telling anyone they are lesser or greater..
or saying the freemasons are the only ones with knowledge or not..that would be so absurd to think..
with in every structure..you can find it.
you can not just pinpoint one group and say they are the ones...
if that was the case..then it would be they who are delusional.
like many christians saying oh those catholics are so wrong etc.etc.
well what about all the native peoples in the world today and back in ancient times..all the religions etc....it does not matter what religion etc you are in...or what society..



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 07:50 AM
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ok..i did write you all seem better than others...that is not my opinion..just an observation of some masons in action...but like i said...it is in the world around..i observe that in almost everyone..and i am sure it is subconscious in most..people do not really see the way they truly are most often..

why was i given this power of observation...i never asked for it...it is not easy being so aware in a world that seems more than half aloof..

like my father says,why should we..it can drive you crazy..

hmmm perhaps i am just crazy and have been since a child and am aloof to it for thats all i have ever known..i have allways been so different than the majority..
so perhaps all this knowledge that i have allways known..is just one big illusion i have created since a youngster..
but if it is illusion it still becomes reality..
some of the things that i have done..or have been done thru me....are absolutly crazy...i have lost friends because of things that have happened around me..thier minds could not accept it..why do i have this freak'n power..i never asked for it..it was given
..i wish i was like everyone else so often..i would rather not have this power..some of it is incomprehendable to me....
i find myself being aware of all my visions and intentions and actions and reactions and others....just so things will not happen before them..
i dont want to burst anyones bubble of perception..i dont think it is fair..



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 10:13 AM
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take time to deliberate,but when the time for action arrives,stop thinking and go in.
the seed of god is in us:pear seeds grow into pear trees,hazel seeds into hazel trees.and god seeds into god.
over water,under sea,in the forest high youll be.trust your instinct,in the sea.bring the treasure home to me,if you find it,as you might,you will travel day and night,as you see it,you will know ,as above so below.once your grasp it,you will be ready then to cross the sea.
we must pass through solitude and difficulty,isolation and silence to find that place where we can dance our clumsy dance and sing our sorrowful song,but in that dance and in that song,the most ancient rite of our conscience fulfill themselves in the awareness of being human
there are no maps no more creeds or philosophies from here on in,the directions come straight from the universe

toward home on the wave like this small boat spirit will carry me as it carries allof us,inexorably toward the light.

the real voyage of discovery consist not in seeking new landscapes,but in having new eyes
nothing real can be threatened,nothing unreal exist,therein lies the peace of god
the ships are safe in harbor thou that is not what ships are for,when one is willing and eager the gods join in.

as for all this proving..

a great teacher never strives to explain their vision..just simply invites you to stand there besides them and see for yourself

hop in the boat and row from east to west..

let go of the need to defend your opinions and allways be right

everyone is dreaming,but with out awareness,with out knowing what they really are,break the agreements you have made repeticiously..repetition makes the master
surrender to the angel of death.


i wish everyone luck with detaching from their beleifs
your emotional pain is never about the other person..it is allways and only about you.
unlearn what you have allready learned..i have faith that you will all transform sooner or later..thou you may have to be recycled some more

do not fear



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 11:51 AM
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"A great teacher never strives to explain his vision... he simply invites you to stand beside him and see for yourself." - Reverend R. Inman

"A great teacher never strives to explain their vision..just simply invites you to stand there besides them and see for yourself." - Marcel Proust

"Let go of the need to defend your own opinions and always be right." - Dr Sandra Martin (although she probably plagiarised it also).

"sorrowful song,but in that dance and in that song,the most ancient rite of our conscience fulfill themselves in the awareness of being human" - Pablo Neruda

"there are no maps no more creeds or philosophies from here on in...." - Ralph Emerson

"the seed of god is in us:pear seeds grow into pear trees,hazel seeds into hazel trees.and god seeds into god" - Meister Eckhart (although with better grammar).

"The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes." - Marcel Proust (again).




I've got one for you Greenmansmind.

"If you want to enjoy the rainbow... you've got to put up with the rain." - Dolly Parton



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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By that reckoning, Freemasonry would probably praise the first murderer, for giving us the 'opportunity to mourn death', which hadn't existed in the world until that time.

Oh wait, Tubal Cain is coming to mind...



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
By that reckoning, Freemasonry would probably praise the first murderer, for giving us the 'opportunity to mourn death', which hadn't existed in the world until that time.

Oh wait, Tubal Cain is coming to mind...


That was Cain, not Tubal Cain there, genius.



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Leveller
"A great teacher never strives to explain his vision... he simply invites you to stand beside him and see for yourself." - Reverend R. Inman

"A great teacher never strives to explain their vision..just simply invites you to stand there besides them and see for yourself." - Marcel Proust

"Let go of the need to defend your own opinions and always be right." - Dr Sandra Martin (although she probably plagiarised it also).

"sorrowful song,but in that dance and in that song,the most ancient rite of our conscience fulfill themselves in the awareness of being human" - Pablo Neruda

"there are no maps no more creeds or philosophies from here on in...." - Ralph Emerson

"the seed of god is in us:pear seeds grow into pear trees,hazel seeds into hazel trees.and god seeds into god" - Meister Eckhart (although with better grammar).

"The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes." - Marcel Proust (again).




I've got one for you Greenmansmind.

"If you want to enjoy the rainbow... you've got to put up with the rain." - Dolly Parton





*applause*

And here I was about to tell him that with some good proofreading he would be a helluva writer. *sigh* Oh well...



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 04:54 PM
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i do love the rain..there is allways a rainbow with in me...



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 04:58 PM
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i can write very well ..i write automatically...i dont think when i write...
and i do have a good proofreader in manhatten that could help me..where is she when i need her..



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 05:07 PM
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By the end of February, Mercury, Uranus, Venus and the Sun will all be residing in dreamy Pisces, the last sign of the zodiac. Pisces represents the end of a cycle and inspires the preparation for new beginnings (spring cleaning, anyone?). Ruler of the subconscious (and, therefore, dreams), it is also the most sensitive and spiritual sign. Pisces folk are much more aware of all that goes on around them -- soaking it up like a sponge -- and much of what they experience goes straight to their subconscious minds. Now, with four planets shining their spotlights on the sign, we'll all be feeling like a Pisces -- from preparing for fresh starts to becoming more attuned to our inner-selves.

ok..now you know the mind i have..i live by many of those words from those writers..and it was not the writers who made me live by those words

i am a pisces male..born on 3/9/69 when i was 5 i died when i was 7 i died and when i was 23 i died...i kept coming back...

I am here for a great purpose...

i am not here to fuk with anyone..thou my nature may make it seem so...i have allways been one to push at the boundries before us...i do love peoples reactions....ecspecially when they put the blame on me..

i am trying to open everyones eyes that the material and spiritual world are connected..
i am here for anyone looking..


df1

posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind
why was i given this power of observation...i never asked for it...it is not easy being so aware in a world that seems more than half aloof..

My dad had a handmade poster above his desk which read:


People who think they know it all, really annoy those of us who do.
You have given me a much greater understanding of the words on his poster.
.



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 05:53 PM
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well dont take up reading people for a living..because i dont know a darn thing..thats the way i like to live my momments..i dont know anything and if i do..and it presents itself..like i said before..i feel i know nothing..thou as i experience life from momment to momment..as i travel thru the experience..i felt as if i knew..as if i subconsciously just tap into the source..at the momment..but i like to think i know nothing



posted on Feb, 23 2005 @ 06:01 PM
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thank you very much intrepid...that is my nickname in real life..intrepidone
anyways thank you very much for the warning...i laugh at the fear and reward system in this world...i am not fearing #face..do you think i care really..i would not care if the montains fell down around us and floods washed over us.....
gee i get 5 warnings and then i have to change my name...i adapt well..
come on everyone gang up on the greenman show him your bull# power..why dont you all circle jerk...there is more majik in that



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