I agree with much of what you've said greenmansmind, however we ought to clarify a couple things.
Originally posted by greenmansmind
if yogis who have been practicing for yrs..can not experience kundulini..
why a simple man such as me..with out the knowledge even..why did i go through all of it,with out challenge..
This is precisely why The Masters stress that the Aspirant needs a Guru, whether in the Physical or Internal Planes.
Sometimes we don't have the ability to catch all the messages from our Innermost properly, because the way we perceive things is filtered through the
egos or aggregates that we have built up over so many lifetimes.
Also, many people assume that they've "raised their Kundalini" but don't even really know what that is.
One who has already walked The Path can train us on how to transform the impressions we receive externally, and how to understand the messages and
subtle hints that our Being sends our way.
This is why it is good to meditate daily and study The Holy Books(The Qur'an, Torah, Gospels, Pert Em Heru, Upanishads, Tao Te Ching, etc.) and also,
the works of the more current Masters.
You know the saying: "When the student is ready, the Master appears" or something like that.
Speaking of which; here's a reason why I respect Dion Fortune:
Seeking The Master
And you are right greenman, in implying that too much reading can be counter-productive.
Some quotes of Wisdom(I know that my excessive quoting can get annoying, but it is better to quote those with a higher level of Being, than to offer
our own subjective opinions):
The great rationalists and intellectuals are precisely the most torpid and passionate beings who exist upon the earth. The intellectual loses
the meaning of a sentence simply because of the lack of a period or a comma. The intuitive knows how to read what the Master does not write and how
to listen to what the Master does not say....
...The gravest danger for the occultist is to have a bookish culture. The students of occultism who have read excessively are commonly filled with
terrible pride. The student who is vain due to the intellect feels as though he is the lord of worldly wisdom. He not only lamentably wastes his
time going from school to school, but moreover he closes the door of Initiation for himself, and falls into black magic. We must become like children
in order to penetrate into the wisdom of the fire, which is deep within ourselves, in the living profundity of our internal consciousness. There is a
need to be humble in order to acquire wisdom. Once we have acquired wisdom, we must be even more humble.
- Igneous Rose
Intellect "Two types of
intellect exist: 1. The commonly known sensual intellect. 2. The intellect which is given by the Being; this is a conscious intellect." - The
Revolution of the Dialectic
The common sensual or subjective intellect is the capacity of reasoning and comparing (see Intellectual Animal). Related to the Intellectual Brain or
Center, and to the physical brain.
"The intellect is a very precious instrument for the Great Work of the Father, when it is absolutely used for the pure service of the Spirit. A
mystic without intellect fails because of lack of culture (see Intellectual Culture). The intellect is satanic when it is used for the service of the
internal beast. The intellectual villains (cynics and skeptics) are the result of intellectualism without spirituality." - The Aquarian Message
"The intellect never attains Initiation. Only the heart attains the Golgotha of the High Initiation. The majority of people have their heads filled
with absurd theories and ancestral prejudices; they do not open their minds to anything new." - The Revolution of Beelzebub
Intellectual Culture A complete and comprehensive intellectual understanding of the many aspects of the Path of Initiation.
"To possess an intellectual culture is necessary for the development of clairvoyance. To have an intellectual discipline is necessary for the
development of the latent powers, chakras, discs, magnetic wheels of the Astral Body." - Endocrinology & Criminology
"In order to develop positive clairvoyance, it is required to practice the necessary esoteric exercises and to study the best authors of Theosophy,
Rosicrucianism, Yoga, Psychology, etc., etc. Our worst enemy is ignorance; therefore, we recommend our readers study the great works of the female
Master Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, entitled The Secret Doctrine. We also recommend Kundalini Yoga of Sivananda, the books of Dr. Arnold Krumm-Heller,
the books of Dr. Adoum, the books of Rudolf Steiner, etc., etc." - Endocrinology & Criminology
"Every esoterist student must have discipline and intellectual culture. The occultist without discipline and intellectual culture converts himself
into a delinquent." - Endocrinology & Criminology
The objective of studying the Kabbalah is to be skilled for work in the Internal Worlds...
One who does not comprehend remains confused in the Internal Worlds. Kabbalah is the basis in order to understand the language of these worlds. -
Samael Aun Weor, The Initiatic Path in the Arcana of Tarot and Kabbalah
Dr Krumm Heller used to say that an hour of daily vocalization was better than reading a million books on pseudo-esotericism and
pseudo-occultism. - Samael Aun Weor
We have finished this book. Unfortunately, we count with the fingers those who are prepared for Gnosis. We have only known two persons who are
prepared for this: An illiterate Indian and a woman. The one who wants to know has to kill the great destructor of reality, the mind. - The Greater
It's all about balance.
Many people presume that because they have had certain sensations and experiences, that they have awakened the Kundalini. But what that
is saying, is that sparks of
can be sent up the intertwining canals of Ida and Pingala, but to actually raise The Kundalini Serpent itself up the Middle Canal of
Sushumna, requires the Tantric Union between man and wife without EVER reaching the orgasm; and also by developing Bodhicitta
(The merits of The Heart).
This is something very difficult for fornicators to face. They would rather assume that they have awakened their Kundalini just because of some
The bachelor needs to stay in Brahmacharya(Chastity) by practicing Pranayama daily. But even one who is in Chastity, can ignorantly assume that
they've awakened The Kundalini Serpent, due to an even objective experience, of energy rising up the Ida and Pingala.
Without Chasity, one cannot even begin The True Path of The Great Work.
"When the Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the
Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to
properly apply this energy." - Manly P. Hall
Without Chastity, one will only awaken as a demon by persuing these studies and practices.
Many authors who write books on magic are awakened negatively, though I doubt that Manly P. Hall was one of them.
I believe he was referring to, that having control of Lucifer is having control of one's Sexual Force. Without this control, we are only going to
fall under the control of our vices and Satanic egos.
Does any of this make sense?
well it did take me years to get there....
but why me,why have i been chosen to walk this path that i walk..
I found this to be a really beautiful statement:
The one who's Being is leading them back to the path will be able to receive many impressions that remind him/her of their purpose.
These impressions or influences of the initiatic principles are not mechanical, they are like arrows that are shot at a target, from the Inner Being
to His child. Obviously there is wind, distance and our minds are moving targets-but the quiver of the Monad that is pushing the essence is always
full of arrows.
A word spoken by a stranger, a sound, a feeling all can be the influences of subtle forces at work.
[edit on 23-3-2005 by Tamahu]