what is 'white privilege'? Nobdy seems to want to explain

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Xenogears

How well people do on an intelligence test is directly connected to several factors, some which include how the test is culturally skewed, the education of the participants, the physical and mental health of the participant due to lifestyle, etc.

The reason some cultures like the Japanese do so well on intelligent tests is that due to their culture they would score high on all the factors. While a black man from the ghetto will have a worse education, less emphasis on activities that improve mental strength, live in a more unhealthy environment, and come from a culture very different from those who make these intelligence tests.

It has nothing to do with genetics, there is no magic slanted eyed = genius gene, or black skin = moron thug gene. It's cultural and environmental.

Both are just human beings with artificial differences from each other but a VAST cultural divide.

I mean which is more likely for the discrepancy, all the factors I listed, or their skin color or eye shape?

will add also it is not just eye and skin color that is affected by genes, genes are not just external. There are all manner of medical conditions that afflict different genders and different ethnic groups at different rates, due to internal differences the results of genetics.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Xenogears
If you are talking gender groups and not racial groups, then you need to move on to neuroscience to move past the falsehoods you now believe.

Differences in brain physiology between sexes do not necessarily relate to differences in intellect. Haier et al. found in a 2004 study that "[m]en and women apparently achieve similar IQ results with different brain regions, suggesting that there is no singular underlying neuroanatomical structure to general intelligence and that different types of brain designs may manifest equivalent intellectual performance.[65] For men, the gray matter volume in the frontal and parietal lobes correlates with IQ; for women, the gray matter volume in the frontal lobe and Broca's area (which is used in language processing) correlates with IQ.[66] Although men have bigger brain size which is partly explained by their bigger bodies, women have greater cortical thickness, cortical complexity and cortical surface area (controlling for body size) which compensates for smaller brain size.[67] Meta-analysis and studies have found that brain size explains 6–12% of variance among individual intelligence and cortical thickness explains 5%.[68][69] The study of brain networks of men and women[70] shows that in numerous graph-theoretical parameters, the structural connectome of women are significantly better connected than the connectome of men. Regarding the charge that there is bias in the research, it is argued that women's advantage remains valid[71] if large-brain women and small-brain men are compared, and that this indicates that the graph-theoretical differences are due to sex and not to size differences.

en.wikipedia.org...

keep telling yourself that.

Reality is look at the top ranked in the intellectual sports like go, chess, e-sports, virtually any intellectually challenging ability. Wealth from innovation, Basically most self made multi billionaires are men, the women most are either heiress, or got their wealth from husband, father, or trivialities, and even so make a small fraction of the list of billionaires.

www.forbes.com...:static


Stephen Pinker a renowned author and leftist has clearly commented at the extremes of intellect males outnumber women by a large degree.


IQ studies comparing male and female have been done when females had a small growth spurt advantage over boys due to developing faster. But in adulthood the average IQ per major or area of study, it is higher in fields of studies with higher proportion of males and lower in fields where females comprise the majority.

Though in average intelligence the gap is small between the sexes, at the extremes of intellect men outnumber more than 10:1 females.

Never suspected this thread to hit 14 pages. :O Thanks everyone for clarifying things up.

Forgot to source part of my previous comment.

Lynn has contended that women are on average about 4 IQ points less intelligent than men. Writing in the London Daily Mail in 2010, he commented: “At the near-genius level (an IQ of 145), brilliant men outnumber brilliant women by eight to one. That’s statistics, not sexism.” He added: “When it comes to IQ, men and women.....simply are not equal.”...

The world's highest ranked female chess grand master, Hungarian-born Judit Polgár does not [even] make it into the top fifty overall, yet she is regarded as the strongest female player in history.-Forbes

a reply to: Xenogears

Neuroscience goes beyond the questionable IQ testing and studies. Deny ignorance by reading the bottom of page 208, then 209 as well as why existing IQ testing is questionable, that being page 204.

www.larspenke.eu...

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Xenogears

Neuroscience goes beyond the questionable IQ testing and studies. Deny ignorance by reading the bottom of page 208, then 209 as well as why existing IQ testing is questionable, that being page 204.

www.larspenke.eu...

Sorry but real world facts trump politically correct pens.

The world's highest ranked female chess grand master, Hungarian-born Judit Polgár does not [even] make it into the top fifty overall, yet she is regarded as the strongest female player in history.-Forbes

Similar happens in go.

Similar happen in e-sports.

Similar happens in wealth generation and innovation.

Similar happens in earning nobel prizes.

He went to mention that only two women had ever won the Nobel Prize for physics and only four for chemistry.No woman has ever won the Fields Medal, which is the nearest equivalent of a Nobel for mathematicians.

Will provide link to previous source

The Penn team, which is led by the Indian-born female radiology professor Ragini Verma, postulates that while female connectivity may make women better at multitasking and intuition, the male format facilitates the learning and performance of a single task.


All in all, this study deals a blow to the contention, strongly propounded by feminists in the 1970s, that observed male/female differences in academic achievement and work performance owe nothing to differing innate ability but merely reflect conditioning and other environmental factors. If Verma and her colleagues are right, one consequence would appear to be to weaken the case for formal or informal quotas for female participation in corporate management, in universities, and in fundamental science....


Certainly the study provides fodder for Richard Lynn, a controversial British psychologist whose research on IQ has long been cited by opponents of affirmative action.

study supports differences in male female brains

Dr Paul Irwing: 'There are twice as many men as women with an IQ of 120-plus'

There are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, there are 30 times the number of men with an IQ of 170-plus as there are women...

I don't know why this is, all I can say is that we have a huge amount of data.



In my 2005 paper in the British Journal of Psychology we looked at 22 surveys sampling 20,000 university students. In 21 out of the 22 studies males always had an advantage. That's a lot. We ignored the survey from Mexico because the results were consistent with a university that was extremely selective with respect to females. Why did Steve Blinkhorn call our research "flawed and suspect"?

The results of both studies were a shock to me. I find prejudice abhorrent. I've always taught sex differences from a left-wing point of view, that women are every bit as good as men.
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a reply to: Xenogears

Sorry but questionable IQ testing is still questionable.

GENOCIDE AND TOTALITARIANISM is the end product of the left's claims of absolute equality of capability. It is not just testing, but as I've shown also outcome at large in society. The claim that all are equal in capability runs counter to the unequal outcomes that reality gives, giving rise to the narrative of oppression, sexism, racism, and justifying communism, totalitarianism and ultimately genocide.



The Myth of the wage gap, arises in large part because there are more men working in more intellectually challenging jobs that pay more, while women work in easier jobs that pay less. We're told it is just difference in choices. She chooses to be a nurse rather than a Doctor or Surgeon, because she wants to change old man's diapers. But it may be she lacks the capability of the women who do make it to Doctors and Surgeons, because there are simply less women capable of reaching such positions. Less as compared to males, there are more men capable of doing so.

Again, difference in capability is not something to promote hatred. I mean there are plenty of athletes with far superior athletic capability. There are individuals with extreme IQ that have greater intellectual capacity than most of the population.

If you're stronger you're better in terms of strength but not innate value as a human. If you're faster you're better in terms of speed, but not in innate value. If you're smarter, you're better in terms of intellect but not innate value.

There's the other end of the spectrum those with severe retardation or autism or severe physical ailments making them unproductive. These individuals, have far less capabilities than the rest of the population, but their innate value as humans is just as high as those more capable of being productive.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Xenogears

Sorry but questionable IQ testing is still questionable.

Historically women have been discriminated against. They've made tremendous progress and some people feel findings like this are a kick in the teeth. I have sympathy for that, but only people who know virtually nothing about IQ tests claim they have a cultural bias. All IQ tests are thoroughly tested and adjusted for bias, so if anything IQ tests are biased in favour of women not men.

People should have equal opportunities but if you want a society where everyone feels satisfied you're not going to find men and women doing the same things in the same proportions. It would help if we recognised that.-independent

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Xenogears

Sorry but questionable IQ testing is still questionable.

Historically women have been discriminated against. They've made tremendous progress and some people feel findings like this are a kick in the teeth. I have sympathy for that, but only people who know virtually nothing about IQ tests claim they have a cultural bias. All IQ tests are thoroughly tested and adjusted for bias, so if anything IQ tests are biased in favour of women not men.

People should have equal opportunities but if you want a society where everyone feels satisfied you're not going to find men and women doing the same things in the same proportions. It would help if we recognised that.-independent

Yes, lack of equal opportunity and bias certainly has played a big part in women being historically unacknowledged in the sciences. As for chess and other male-dominated activities and professions, we need to look at participation rates for clarity.

The authors analyzed the population of about 120,000 German players as recorded by the German chess federation in April 2007. Based on more than 3,000 tournaments per year, the German chess federation measures the skill level of all competitive and most hobby players in the country (the rating correlates highly with the widely known Elo rating). The sample population included 113,386 men and 7,013 women (a ratio of 16:1).

In the study, the scientists also discussed the question of why so few women participate in chess at all. While it's possible that there exists a self-selection process based on innate biological differences that leads women to drop out of chess early on, this argument rests on a controversial assumption, the researchers say. That is, it requires that there is an innate difference between genders in the intellectual abilities associated with chess - an assumption that has little empirical evidence to support it.

Read more at: phys.org...

Let's hear firsthand what faces young black women in the modelling industry where they explain the differences in treatment between black and white models. I'll bet no white model has been asked "Can I lick you...bet you taste like white chocolate?"

originally posted by: InTheLight
Let's hear firsthand what faces young black women in the modelling industry where they explain the differences in treatment between black and white models. I'll bet no white model has been asked "Can I lick you...bet you taste like white chocolate?"

The existence of some level of sexism and racism in society is true, but the claim all differences in outcomes is solely due to discrimination is false. As for models, white models, and models of all races, may very well have had worse than that asked of them, many have probably been taken advantage of sexually.

The claims that have been made are that correcting for IQ income disparities between races banish. Individuals of similar IQ levels have a tendency to have wages of similar levels independent of what race they're from.

As for your claims of less representation in chess, and other intellectual sports. The article itself says that it could be due to the controversial claim of disparity in ability actually being true. They claim no evidence, but there is evidence. And even well respected intellectual feminists like Pinker, iirc, have commented on it.

Women are being showered with investment, high positions, etc. Heard of equifax?

Equifax hired a music major as chief security officer and she has just retired-marketwatch

or how about yahoo?

Marissa Mayer Set to Receive $186 Million for Failing Because This Is How Corporate America Works-gizmodo

Just two of the many examples of unqualified women being given a high ranking position instead of a qualified male and costing the involved companies.

Right now there was also a push to lower the extreme requirements for air traffic controllers, because females and many minorities were not properly represented despite incentives, because of lack of capability to meet the high standards of most such individuals.

Some prestigious universities were thinking of giving females take home tests to help them get better grades.

Again, articles have resurfaced linking differences in brain size with differences in intelligence, after such was brought into question. Even at the same height men have bigger brains than women, and men are taller on average.

Lowering requirements is not the path to equality, it is the path to disaster.

a reply to: Xenogears

"Relative to their male counterparts we find 27% more females who qualified for university, 34% more who enroll in university, 56% more who complete any undergraduate qualification and 66% more who attain a bachelor’s degree. This despite there being roughly equal numbers of boys and girls at the start of school.”

This is why Spaull finds it odd that while on average girls perform better at school and university, while the performance in the labour market is worse. This points to a need to understand why workplace dynamics result in this imbalance. Women still earn 15-17% less than men for the same work.

www.thesouthafrican.com...

So, it would appear that other mitigating factors are at play here, not simply brain size vs intelligence level.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Xenogears

"Relative to their male counterparts we find 27% more females who qualified for university, 34% more who enroll in university, 56% more who complete any undergraduate qualification and 66% more who attain a bachelor’s degree. This despite there being roughly equal numbers of boys and girls at the start of school.”

This is why Spaull finds it odd that while on average girls perform better at school and university, while the performance in the labour market is worse. This points to a need to understand why workplace dynamics result in this imbalance. Women still earn 15-17% less than men for the same work.

www.thesouthafrican.com...

So, it would appear that other mitigating factors are at play here, not simply brain size vs intelligence level.

I don't know what I have heard is that men excel at tests, and dislike homework. Schools have been modified to better accommodate females at the cost of males. Educational achievement/=Intelligence.

Why do the best-educated girls do worse at math than top-educated boys?...

The gender gap in math persists, it found. Top-performing boys score higher in math than the best-performing girls in all but two of the 63 countries in which the tests were given, including the United States...

And yet one thing to understand is that while social and economic development might help boys, research suggests it won’t reduce girls’ math deficits. Over all, girls outperform boys on the standardized tests by some of the widest margins in relatively poor countries, like Malaysia and Thailand, and in nations like the United Arab Emirates and Qatar that have little in the way of women’s rights. The gender gap in math at the top actually widens as living conditions improve. Girls’ scores improve, but boys’ scores improve more.-nytimes

As the new school year ramps up, teachers and parents need to be reminded of a well-kept secret: Across all grade levels and academic subjects, girls earn higher grades than boys. Not just in the United States, but across the globe, in countries as far afield as Norway and Hong Kong....
This begs a sensitive question: Are schools set up to favor the way girls learn and trip up boys? ...

They discovered that boys were a whole year behind girls in all areas of self-regulation. By the end of kindergarten, boys were just beginning to acquire the self-regulatory skills with which girls had started the year.

This self-discipline edge for girls carries into middle-school and beyond. In a 2006 landmark study, Martin Seligman and Angela Lee Duckworth found that middle-school girls edge out boys in overall self-discipline. This contributes greatly to their better grades across all subjects. They found that girls are more adept at “reading test instructions before proceeding to the questions,” “paying attention to a teacher rather than daydreaming,” “choosing homework over TV,” and “persisting on long-term assignments despite boredom and frustration.” These top cognitive scientists from the University of Pennsylvania also found that girls are apt to start their homework earlier in the day than boys and spend almost double the amount of time completing it. ...

In fact, a host of cross-cultural studies show that females tend to be more conscientious than males.

These days, the whole school experience seems to play right into most girls’ strengths—and most boys’ weaknesses. Gone are the days when you could blow off a series of homework assignments throughout the semester but pull through with a respectable grade by cramming for and acing that all-important mid-term exam. Getting good grades today is far more about keeping up with and producing quality homework—not to mention handing it in on time.

...It is easy to for boys to feel alienated in an environment where homework and organization skills account for so much of their grades. But the educational tide may be turning in small ways that give boys more of a fighting chance. An example of this is what occurred several years ago at Ellis Middle School, in Austin, Minnesota. Teachers realized that a sizable chunk of kids who aced tests trundled along each year getting C’s, D’s, and F’s.
atlantic

IIRC correctly Peterson says that conscientiousness combined with IQ are very good predictors of future performance. Conscientiousness is the personality trait, which lack of explains why some high IQ individuals may fail, iirc. Men tend to have lower conscientiousness, yet despite having higher conscientiousness, females tend to do worse in the real world. Why is that, why do men that lack in one of the two predictors of success do significantly better? Might it not be easy to hypothesize that it is because while women have a conscientiousness advantage men have enough of an IQ advantage to more than make up for it?

Is school designed more for girls than boys source

Why is Conscientiousness negatively correlated with intelligence?-psytech

Curious isn't it? A trait that tends to be higher in women correlates negatively with intelligence?

For centuries, boys were top of the class. These days, girls are scoring higher grades-economists

Why? Because tests, that are a true measure of capability and get boys ramped up with their competitiveness were devalued. While pointless repetitive homeworks, and tasks, that bore boys who either hand them late or don't do them at all were overvalued by feminist ideologues seeking to close the ancient gap and if possible reverse it. So now we have boys that can get perfect score on tests, proving they master the material, getting Cs and Fs because the system has been changed.

I think even in the feminist and women's studies it's going on.

White women are accused of privileges and "white feminism".

And now there's even talk of "colorism".
That means if you're just a shade too light you will get the same treatment.

a reply to: halfoldman

And now there's even talk of "colorism". 
That means if you're just a shade too light you will get the same treatment.

You may scoff at the idea that there is such a thing as colorism, but it is a real thing within black communities the world over going back centuries ,including non African descendant communities and nations such as India.
Amara La Negra Embraces Her Afro-Latinidad
www.npr.org...


Some communities have had greater success at addressing this over longer period of time, some have just started the conversation , as among Brazilian population and much of the Arabic speaking world have even began to addressing the issue.
But no community of black folks escapes it completely ,needless to say it's an intensely complex issue as were are talking about family members even, sometimes siblings.

The Difference Between Racism and Colorism

time.com...

a reply to: Spider879

I was surprised to discover this as well , and that old saying "marry light"

In battle rap its a common trope for black rappers to make fun of other black rappers for either being Nigerian Dark in this case Eddie and charlie murphy the darkness brothers ! or in Charlie Murphy's words " that black ass wesley snipes"
Or being light skinned dark

even more surprised when I found out from my gay friend that gay people have femme and masculine discrimination within their group of gay men!

Still despite all of our minute differences there are still more things that unite us as homo sapiens sapiens than divide us !

a reply to: sapien82

Yes this runs very deep and may have it's origins among Africans themselves.. OK I'll create a topic on this.
History forum.??

a reply to: Spider879

Aye id be interested to know more !