Putin Meeting Lifts the Veil?

a reply to: DJW001

"Collusion" is a polite word for "conspiracy to commit election fraud."

Wait... are you telling me the people screaming for Trump's head on a silver platter for "Russian collusion" are being polite?!

Trump himself kept telling us the election was rigged.

Yes, he kept saying it was rigged against him... read for Hillary. Are you now politely accusing Hillary of "Russian collusion"?

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I can read your posts, and I can make generally accurate assumptions from those... unless you are saying your posts are not indicative of what you actually think.

How do you know your assumptions are “generally accurate”? You’re delusional if you think you can get a “generally accurate” idea of who I am based upon a few posts here. Again… stop pretending that your assumptions are true, accurate or factual.

Collusion is not even a crime. Please quote the statute that criminalizes collusion.

Oh my…. The Fox News lie. The above quote taken almost verbatim from Fox News reporter, Gregg Jarrett’s mouth.
The problem is that Gregg doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Any foreign national that spends money to influence a US election is a crime, and any citizen that coordinates, conspires or assists is a criminal/traitor.
~ Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002
Trump could be charged with fraud as well… for simply discussing the campaign with any foreigner.
We already know that the Russian’s did interfere in the 2016 elections…. It’s just a matter of time before the rest comes out…
~ U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 63 › § 1346
Not to mention…
Federal Public Corruption Laws and anti-coercion federal election laws

Then you get to show some proof that Trump is colluding with "du Russians"... something Robert Mueller has not done in almost a year and a half of unrestrained investigation, plus having access to the FBI's previous investigation into it.

Are you aware that it took over two years to investigate Watergate? You’re probably not old enough to remember. The length of time it takes to investigate a crime doesn’t make the perpetrators any less guilty. That’s a common fallacy spread by the Circle Jerks here on ATS. Man… you have some serious flaws in your logic…

Then you get to explain why Trump allowed Russian sanctions.

The sanctions were mandated but not all were implemented by the current administration… by your logic… that makes Trump guilty.

Why he kicked Russian diplomats out of the US

A US state department official said shortly after…
"The Russian government remains free to request accreditation for vacant positions in its bilateral mission. Any requests for new diplomatic accreditation will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis."
So… Russia can just replace the old spies with new ones.

why he bombed Russias's ally Syria

Because it’s on “the list”… and “the children”.
Ironically Trump said in response: “What kind of a nation wants to be associated with the mass murderer of innocent men, women, and children?” the President said. “Nations can be judged by the friends they keep.” He called Assad’s use of chemical weapons “not the actions of a man. They are crimes of a monster instead.”

why he pulled out of the Iran Nuclear deal and offended another Russian ally, and why he is now defiant towards Iran.

Hey waddya know…. Turns out that Netanyahu asked him to!
thehill.com...

Until you can show that... THERE IS NO COLLUSION. And don't forget you still need to find the statute for collusion to even be a crime, much less treason. Better get busy.

Meh… I’m bored with you now… you got nothing.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

How do you know your assumptions are “generally accurate”?

The same way I might "know" how you feel after talking to you face to face. Just because the words are symbols rather than sound wave mixes, their definition is the same. Only voice inflection changes, and a decent writer can allow for that in their posts.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 63 › § 1346

18 U.S. Code § 1346:

For the purposes of this chapter, the term “scheme or artifice to defraud” includes a scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services.

"For the purposes of this chapter"... title of Chapter 63 is "MAIL FRAUD AND OTHER FRAUD OFFENSES."

Really? Now you're accusing Trump of mail fraud?

I'm not looking up code for you on the others... give me title and chapter.

Are you aware that it took over two years to investigate Watergate? You’re probably not old enough to remember.

I'm plenty old enough to remember Nixon. I also know the investigation targeted Nixon, not just those around him.

Even Congress is saying "if you got something, charge him."

The sanctions were mandated but not all were implemented by the current administration… by your logic… that makes Trump guilty.

There is no logic in that statement, mine or anyone else's.

So… Russia can just replace the old spies with new ones.

Still was an affront to Russia. If they had wanted "new spies," they could have just rotated personnel.

Ironically Trump said in response: “What kind of a nation wants to be associated with the mass murderer of innocent men, women, and children?” the President said. “Nations can be judged by the friends they keep.” He called Assad’s use of chemical weapons “not the actions of a man. They are crimes of a monster instead.”

So Trump said openly that Russia should be judged by their association with a "monster"? How does that not disprove your assertion?

Hey waddya know…. Turns out that Netanyahu asked him to!

How does that change anything? Are you changing from Russian collusion to Israeli collusion now?

Meh… I’m bored with you now… you got nothing.

I put that in my liberal translator. This is what came out:

"I can't support my argument! Help! Someone help me!"

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Dude... stop...

You do know what "OTHER" means?

FFS....

I put that in my liberal translator. This is what came out:

"I can't support my argument! Help! Someone help me!"

I've supported my arguments with plenty of material. You just keep attacking me instead of the arguments. SAD and WEAK! Your blind loyalty to sorry-assed choice for President has you sounding like a #ing fool.

12 billion dollars to bail out farmers.... socialism. Your President has betrayed you... but you're either too stupid to know it or too blind to see it.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

I've supported my arguments with plenty of material.

Half of which is irrelevant and the other half refutes your own position.

Look, if you want to dislike the President, that's fine. But with the claims that he is somehow criminally guilty of a non-existent crime that his own actions refute. We've heard it all. It's pure BS. Either get Mueller to charge him officially or let it go. There are actual issues to discuss.

12 billion dollars to bail out farmers.... socialism.

Yes it is socialism... not sure whether I like that or not to be honest. I'm waiting to see the details and how it works out. I'm sure Trump is trying to smooth out an economic bump caused by his attempts to renegotiate the trade agreements, but that smoothing could become a problem if not short-lived.

You might not be aware, btw, that US farming is already heavily socialized...

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Half of which is irrelevant and the other half refutes your own position.

Really? please be so kind as to point out the irrelevance in the supporting material for my arguments..... because you have failed to do so in all of your replies to me.

Look, if you want to dislike the President, that's fine. But

with the claims that he is somehow criminally guilty of a non-existent crime that his own actions refute. We've heard it all. It's pure BS. Either get Mueller to charge him officially or let it go. There are actual issues to discuss.

I'll STFU when the investigation is over and Mueller clears him....

Yes it is socialism... not sure whether I like that or not to be honest. I'm waiting to see the details and how it works out. I'm sure Trump is trying to smooth out an economic bump caused by his attempts to renegotiate the trade agreements, but that smoothing could become a problem if not short-lived.

You might not be aware, btw, that US farming is already heavily socialized...

But it's cool as long as your guy is the one doing it eh? "Not sure whether I like that or not to be honest"

Let's be really honest.... you'd be blowing a gasket if it was the "other" guy.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

Really? please be so kind as to point out the irrelevance in the supporting material for my arguments..... because you have failed to do so in all of your replies to me.

*sigh*

No. If you couldn't understand it before, you can't understand it now. To be honest, I think you understood it just fine, but are just getting your jollies arguing nonsense.

I'll STFU when the investigation is over and Mueller clears him....

No, you won't. You'll have an excuse all primed and ready.

But it's cool as long as your guy is the one doing it eh? "Not sure whether I like that or not to be honest"

Let's be really honest.... you'd be blowing a gasket if it was the "other" guy.

You really need to get over this hatred... I have honestly never seen a Klan member who hated the way you do!

And yes, I have known Klan members. I lived in Alabama over a half-century ago. The hate is strong with you. It'll burn you up some day.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Blarneystoner

a reply to: xpert11

There was a wave of Russian propaganda supporting their invasion of the Ukraine, yet none of Trump's detractors gave a toss. Putin's aims towards NATO are old fashion divided and conquer. Putin, gauged the level of public support for the Obama admin's lack of action in information or psychological and warfare as a green light to "interfere" in the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election. But all of this is self evident to anyone is isn't letting the usual left wing anti Trump media out (MSNBC and CNN e.t.c) dictate their opinions and emotions.

Please explain. I have been so prolific in exposing Russian propaganda that our trolls try to undercut and discredit me at every turn using personal attacks. It is my understanding of Russian intentions and methods that has firmly convinced me that Donald Trump is the greatest threat to the "post-war order" the United States has crafted to serve its own interests.

The failure of this administration to take suitable action against Russia is even worse than the previous one's; Obama was hesitant to inform the public for fear of looking like he was politicizing the situation; this administration actually denies what is going on for political reasons.

Trump should resign before we have the humiliating spectacle of a divisive impeachment.

a reply to: DJW001

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Really? please be so kind as to point out the irrelevance in the supporting material for my arguments..... because you have failed to do so in all of your replies to me.

*sigh*

No. If you couldn't understand it before, you can't understand it now. To be honest, I think you understood it just fine, but are just getting your jollies arguing nonsense.

I'll STFU when the investigation is over and Mueller clears him....

No, you won't. You'll have an excuse all primed and ready.

But it's cool as long as your guy is the one doing it eh? "Not sure whether I like that or not to be honest"

Let's be really honest.... you'd be blowing a gasket if it was the "other" guy.

You really need to get over this hatred... I have honestly never seen a Klan member who hated the way you do!

And yes, I have known Klan members. I lived in Alabama over a half-century ago. The hate is strong with you. It'll burn you up some day.

TheRedneck

WTF is wrong with you? You assume so much about things you know nothing about. It's just a sad attempt to belittle me in order to invalidate my thoughts and opinions. I know Gas Lighting when I see it.

Your tactics here are reprehensible but typical of someone whose arguments don't hold up under scrutiny. You've completely abandoned responding to the issues and have now taken the tact of attacking me personally. What a pathetic little bitch. How dare you compare me to any KKK member... Would a KKK member marry a black woman? You need to shut your pie hole, you don't have a goddamned clue what you're talking about.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

You assume so much about things you know nothing about.

As do you. I think it's called "projection."

How dare you compare me to any KKK member

Blind hatred is blind hatred. Who that blind hatred is aimed at does not make it less.

Sounds like I hit a nerve...

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Blarneystoner

You assume so much about things you know nothing about.

As do you. I think it's called "projection."

How dare you compare me to any KKK member

Blind hatred is blind hatred. Who that blind hatred is aimed at does not make it less.

Sounds like I hit a nerve...

TheRedneck

Pathetic.... if it makes you feel better to claim that well informed resistance is hate, than by all means carry on. But I'm not the one with friends in the KKK.

And no... I don't put much stock in the opinions of guys who just post on the ATS all day every day. I kind of feel sorry for you....

a reply to: Blarneystoner

NO, it doesn't make me feel better... it actually saddens me deeply to see intelligence wasted on blind hatred. Oh, and those 'friends' are not friends, just folks I grew up with. Speaking of assumptions...

Don't feel sorry for me. I happen to be working right now. Epoxy has to cure, you know...

TheRedneck

a reply to: Blarneystoner

Well informed resistance? Is that what the cool kids call it these days...?

All too often it looks remarkably like ill informed political ideology, guided by unfounded animosity. But...call it what you will.

a reply to: thepixelpusher

I think I wasn't clear in my post to you. I'm looking for what Russia did to tell the bakers to pound sand not the political aspect that you linked.

That's important, don't get me wrong, but I want to know how they told the bankers to eff off.

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

I imagine the Russians paid off their debt and kicked the banks out and went back to relying on their own banking system instead of the international swift system, but I'm just guessing since it's been a while ago since they did this. But the baks have no control over Putin and they have been at him ever since.

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

International banking is a trap.

Leaders want to be re-elected, obviously. The easiest way to do this is to 'buy' votes with government programs that give free stuff away. For some, that's better roads and infrastructure than the country can really afford, while others take it to the extremes of socialism with social programs galore that would bankrupt the country. The only way countries can do this without blowing their currency out of the water is to borrow from international banks.

The trap is that the banks will happily lend the money, because they are essentially buying a portion the country;s economy. At the financial level they operate at, getting the principle paid back is less important than getting the interest and the power to control the country that goes along with that. All the banks need do to crash an economy is drop the credit rating. The interest rate goes up, the incoming flow of extra money money dries up, and the economy crashes. Any leaders in power lose their jobs if lucky; their heads if not so lucky. So in essence, the banks control the country.

Remember we're not talking about the same kind of bank people are familiar with. We're talking about people with enough funds at their disposal to literally buy a country. There are no tellers, no monthly statements, no debit cards... it's a whole 'nother world of finance that operates above any laws and above any restrictions.

The EU is deep in the pockets of international banking. The US is deep in as well, just not so much. About every country pays tithes to these banks, except Russia. They stand alone as probably the largest superpower to still control their money supply.

TheRedneck

a reply to: thepixelpusher

I imagine the Russians paid off their debt and kicked the banks out and went back to relying on their own banking system instead of the international swift system, but I'm just guessing since it's been a while ago since they did this. But the baks have no control over Putin and they have been at him ever since.

Right the first time: you were imagining. Britain wanted to ban Russia from SWIFT as part of the sanctions for their illegal invasion of Ukraine, but SWIFT refused. (EU still needs Russian gas and barter is so clumsy.)

a reply to: TheRedneck

Thanks for the reply but that history is the part I know about. Not what I'm looking for.

Here's pixel's original post:

because back in to 1990's the Russian govt. delvereraged themselves from the central banking system and the parasitic banking system have been after them constantly to get back in line so they can feed off their money and resources supply in Russia, and Putin is outsmarting them and rebuffing them. Putin gave the Central Banks the middle finger and they've been after him ever since he has not fallen in line with their plans. Putin made Russia Great Again and the bankers can't stand it.

That's what I'm trying to suss out, what Putin did to tell the banks to eff off and exactly what did he do to accomplish this. Would this not be similar to Ghaddafi and his gold dinar that eventually got him slaughtered? So what the heck happened with Russia and the IMF and so on that got them in this position?

I so wish we here in the U.S. would tell the International Banking Cartel to pound sand.