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Putin Meeting Lifts the Veil?

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posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

We had the beast from the east weather front hit us covering most of the U.K. in snow, the assassination attempt was timed to perfection




posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Whereismypassword

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


In the above quotes taken from the videos you supply, can you point to me where there is admiration?




Oh crap! Stop the presses!!!

Trump sent a Tweet where he used a popular internet meme! TREASON! IMPEACH!!!



Who said impeach? That shows Trump admires Putin


No it doesn't. It shows Trump was travelling to Russia, and willing to meet/negotiate with Putin. Because when I admire people I don't sell weapons to their enemy so they can be killed:

www.washingtonpost.com... 7844f09


He grudgingly authorized allowing sales after his SecDef urged him to. He is not directly aiding Ukraine.



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: DJW001


An excellent example of Putin turning the tables on Trump.

Watching is too much trouble, eh? I understand.

Your previous statement is still incorrect. Trump did attempt to extradite the 12 Russians Mueller indicted, and he also got some concessions on that. Putin could have completely refused.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: DJW001


An excellent example of Putin turning the tables on Trump.

Watching is too much trouble, eh? I understand.

Your previous statement is still incorrect. Trump did attempt to extradite the 12 Russians Mueller indicted, and he also got some concessions on that. Putin could have completely refused.

TheRedneck


Instead, he accused American intelligence of racketeering and suggested that his "law enforcement" agents come here to investigate. As I said, he trumped Trump.



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Yes, one could read it that way, I suppose. Of course, we just accused his people of interfering with our election and he agreed to let us witness the questioning.

You have a problem with reciprocity?

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

so you confirm that Trump is now selling weapons that Obama would not sell to Ukraine to aid them in their fight against Russia.

Thank you.



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: TheRedneck




Putin is the key that ties them all together.


because back in to 1990's the Russian govt. delvereraged themselves from the central banking system and the parasitic banking system have been after them constantly to get back in line so they can feed off their money and resources supply in Russia, and Putin is outsmarting them and rebuffing them. Putin gave the Central Banks the middle finger and they've been after him ever since he has not fallen in line with their plans. Putin made Russia Great Again and the bankers can't stand it.


Could you elaborate please? This is not something I'm familiar with, the story, not the banking system, which to me is the backbone of many things not the political claptrap that has dominated this thread. The love of money is the root of all evil, right? I just do not remember hearing any of this part of this piece of history and am quite curious.

Thanks.



posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Are you aware that Russia has a bounty on George Soros's head should he make one step into Russia. That is for the funding of groups similar to Antifa in Russia.

Russia and the “Color Revolution”



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 05:43 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: bastion

Fair enough. We're both going off of (hopefully) informed second-party opinions. We are actually close to agreement on Putin. I just want to bear in mind, we don't really know first hand what it's like over there.

TheRedneck


Fair point, agreed there - it pays to be highly skeptical of any claims given the geo-political history and lack of independent journalism.

Those are the confirmed ones

Footage of Neo-Nazi training camps, warning includes murder


I purposefully ommited things I wasn't 100% on, for example there's veery strong evidence that the FSB was behind a number of terror attacks around Russia in the run up to an election to gain support for Putin.

Some bombs were planted by genuine Chechen millitants but Russian made ones (used standard Russian explosive) were used in the bombings of apartment blocks and train stations that killed a few hundred people and three FSB agents were arrested by local police for planting the bombs but were later released on orders from Moscow. The sacks the bombs were contained in even had FSB written on them and the license plates trace back to FSB.

This introduced Russian elections and the rise of Putin into power, before then he was a non-entity in politics. While evidence is compelling, I personally withhold judgement ass anything can happen on international intel levels - I have no doubt the UK meddles in Russia to the same extent Russia does here, we just never hear of it.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:30 AM
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originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Are you aware that Russia has a bounty on George Soros's head should he make one step into Russia. That is for the funding of groups similar to Antifa in Russia.

Russia and the “Color Revolution”


CSIS is, of course, a Russian governmental disinformation agency. But you knew that, right? All they are doing is parroting the Gerasimov Doctrine.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:34 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: DJW001

so you confirm that Trump is now selling weapons that Obama would not sell to Ukraine to aid them in their fight against Russia.

Thank you.


No, I said that Trump, at the urging of the grown-ups around him, has authorized the sale of small arms to Ukraine by American manufacturers. In other words, it is transactional, and is a reversal of a suspicious campaign plank. Basically, he caved. I will not defend Obama's timidity.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:42 AM
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Good! I'm glad we can agree.

And I will not even try to dispute your narrative... it's likely true from what little I know of Putin. He truly is a thug. The thing is, he's Russia's thug. A goodly proportion of the Russian population actually seems to want him in power, thuggishness and all.

Our President is an arrogant megalomaniac... and he has the support of at least half of the population.

Both, I believe, have the same goal: patriotism. A more prosperous country. A happier people. They go about it different ways. Trump uses his ability to irritate people to the breaking point... literally... to get those who are corrupt to expose themselves. Putin uses an older tactic, the strong-arm, authoritarian approach. Personally, I do prefer Trump's approach over Putin's. But if, and I will admit some conjecture here, both men are trying to preserve their country against outside forces, Trump against a globalist, elitist agenda riddled with corruption and Putin against a globalist, predatorily capitalistic world that has already tried to strip Russia of her resources, then it follows that a common enemy might lend itself to some measure of cooperation.

Cooperation does not mean agreement. It simply means working together toward a common goal. I lived through the Cold War, sat at those flimsy radiation-proof, explosion-nullifying school desks we had back then. I do not want to go back to those times. I prefer to cooperate, as long as we can do so without losing our own way, to better relations. Russia has as much right to run their country as we do to run ours.

Would a world where two of the three superpowers are dedicated to peace and cooperation not be a good thing? We cannot achieve that by spitting in Russia's face. It will take diplomacy, and diplomacy will mean not directly engaging Putin on how he runs his country at every opportunity. That is the road to war; we've walked it as a species many times. It always goes to the same place.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:51 AM
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Both, I believe, have the same goal: patriotism. A more prosperous country. A happier people.


Wrong. Patriotism is a means, not an end. Patriotism encourages individuals to see themselves as subordinate to the state. "I pledge allegiance...." Neither Putin nor Trump care about their country, they care about themselves, their money, and their power. Prosperity and the happiness of their people are only their concern as far as they are necessary to maintain their power and wealth. When prosperity began to wane, Putin identified an enemy who was responsible. Us. When happiness began to fade, he launched a victorious war of reconquest. Trump has already demonstrated a tendency toward the former; let us hope he will not undertake the latter.
edit on 19-7-2018 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:56 AM
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There are three things I just have to point out.

Firstly, there is little real difference between the statements, "Trump is selling arms to Ukraine," and "Trump authorized the sale of arms to Ukraine." So far as I have found, Donald Trump owns hotels, resorts, golf courses, casinos... but no weapons manufacturers. So it was patently obvious that the implication in the statement was not that Trump himself was exchanging weapons for cash, but that he was allowing American businesses to do so as the leader of the country.

Secondly, the attribution of mental processes based on actions is almost never correct. People in general, when attempting to ascribe emotions to someone they have limited experience with, typically project their own imagined emotions in a similar situation.

Thirdly, the connotation of "caving" and "changing one's mind" are quite different, but the two terms essentially mean the same thing. Technically, the connotation of "caving" implies that the decision changed is diametrically opposed to someone's deeply-held beliefs. Do you have evidence that Trump held a deep seated belief that arm sales to Ukraine should be prohibited?

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 07:01 AM
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Patriotism is pride in and personal allegiance to one's country. It is neither a means, nor an end; it is a belief in ones' county's worth.

Secondly, please see number two in the above post. Unless you are a mind-reader extraordinaire, you tarnish your own opinions by trying to ascribe your emotions to the actions of others.

If you are a mind-reader extraordinaire, please prove it by telling me what I am thinking now... and then, if correct, please accept my apologies for doubting you.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 10:21 AM
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2nd, he stabbed our PM in the back with his comments about Brexit


What this Theresa May, that stabbed her own people in the back?


"Traitor Theresa May glorifies her Treasonous BREXIT deal - let her own words condemn her."



Traitor Theresa May glorifies her Treasonous BREXIT deal - let her own words condemn her. "Sovereignty is the full right and power of a governing body over itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies. In political theory, sovereignty is a substantive term designating supreme authority over some polity." en.wikipedia.org... "In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's nation or sovereign"



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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And yet all your Presidents bow to the Queen - a captured Nation.

"Trump DID bow to the Queen - but it was so fast if you blinked you would have missed it"
www.mirror.co.uk...

Even Japanese royalty...


The US is a corporate subsidiary of the Crown
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 10:47 AM
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Support for your "royalty" is a colossal joke around the world-we are all fascinated by all the pomp and circumstance while your veterans and citizens suffer from a lack of dcent healthcare and outrageous taxes.


And your healthcare costs are much cheaper than the free health care of Britain? LOL

Just a heads up as to where some of your sweat goes to - London!





“The Constitutions of the District Of Columbia operates under a tyrannical Roman known as Lex fori which bears no resemblance to the US Constitution when Congress passed the Act of 1871 it created a separate corporate Govt for the District of Columbia

This Treasonous act allowed the Strict of Columbia to act a corporation outside the original constitution of the US and outside the best interest of the American citizens The US has always been and still is British Crown Colony




There's really only three Global leaders and they push and play chess with all the rest: Trump, Xi and Putin.


You really think these are the Global players? LOL they are puppets for the forces that set policy



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: SuicideKing33
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Don't think that's partisan at all, it's facts.

I enjoy the look behind the public facade though. Russia looks to be a key piece on the chessboard one way or another.

I really think people should get over this trump/democrat hate...it goes much deeper than one person in office.

The truth fears no investigation. Can we EVER get some transparency about this global geo political war.


Let me repeat that last line... "The truth fears no investigation"

Meanwhile... Trump has had two private meetings with a former KGB agent who's been described as a thug and murderer.

Calls from US Lawmakers to interview Trump's translator have been met with opposition from not only the Russian government but by our own officials as well.

What are they afraid of?



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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Which "they"?

TheRedneck




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