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Archangel Gabriel on NATO and Don's Militarism

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posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:31 PM
a reply to: sdcigarpig

And shortly there after the Prorussian movement started, and people were there with military hardware, supplied by the Russians, who claimed not to know how they got ahold of such. Russia moves in and takes over the state again, controlling it.

The "Little Green Men"? C'mon man, don't give me this line of Bollocks.

As Kharkiv puts it, “Guys like this become terrible headaches for our government.”


Look! Vlad the Impaler had his uniformed communists without insignia there to prevent Crimea from developing headaches! No massacre of Mariupol in Crimea for all of us, that's a real bummer.

The movement and annexation of the Crimea was not legal in any sense, it was a military action, and one of an aggressive nature. The second Referendum never happened, the one that would have confirmed and granted Crimea its independence and made it its own country.

Except that they declared the independence from the Ukraine and requested to join the Russian Federation, and their supreme council of whatnots confirmed the decision. That's your second referendum right there.
Meanwhile, Vlad seems to be busy faking all the polls with happy Crimeans. I mean... that's unreal, right? Who wouldn't want to be part of this glorious Brave New Ukraine with a civil war going on and all that?

Ukraine on Her knees

The West isn't innocent, either. That's the point, which means that I can't simply rest the case with half-witted (but apathetic) criticism for Vlad the Imputin only. It's the same with the war on terror, actually. Which is why this flawed debate has it's merits, I guess.

posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 12:40 PM

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Trueman

Having a different leader doesn't absolve you of past mistakes.

The mistake was made for those who voted for Obama 2 times.

Why Obama? If Trump, according to you, gets a pass because Obama then surely Obama gets a pass because of George W as it was his decision? That is your logic applied before you try to argue!

posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 01:57 PM
a reply to: PublicOpinion

There really was no second referendum. That one was to set up the country of Crimea, as an independent nation. However, that one did not happen.

And then do tell, how did the pro-Russian, faces get ahold of military grade weapons? Most countries in Europe, usually have far stricter gun control laws.

So under your reasoning, then there are some states and territories in the USA that could declare independence and then have another country move in and take control and the US would not have any reason to complain as it would be legal.

What if Hawaii, were to say declare itself independent and then say China comes in to help it, would that be ok? What if Puerto Rico decided it wants to be free of the USA and invites Cuba in, could you accept that?

Russia invaded another country.

posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 06:09 AM
a reply to: sdcigarpig

After elements surrendered 6 vehicles to pro-Russian separatists in the 2014 Sloviansk standoff, Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov announced the brigade would be disbanded.

That's one example of the low morale in a fight against the people but who on Ceres cares anyway. Right? You won't apply some pressure on the Ukraine in order to haven them keep up their part of the Minsk agreement. You don't want peace, you want revenge for some perceived invasion that never happened in the first place.
Oh boy, you would have gone berserk in no time if Janukowytsch had the military on the streets to quell the Maidan protest with some "Anti-Terror-Operation". The double standards are showing.

What if Hawaii, were to say declare itself independent and then say China comes in to help it, would that be ok? What if Puerto Rico decided it wants to be free of the USA and invites Cuba in, could you accept that?

That depends. In a case of something clearly fcked up like the Ukraine on her knees, I'd venture to say yes. You didn't just compare the Ukraine with the USA, or did you? Are Neo-Nazi volunteers roaming your streets as well?

Schaaf noted that “an increase in patriotic discourse supporting Ukraine in its conflict with Russia has coincided with an apparent increase in both public hate speech, sometimes by public officials and magnified by the media, as well as violence towards vulnerable groups such as the LGBT community,” an observation that is supported by a recent Council of Europe study.

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem

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