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Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

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posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: loam

I think the city government told the cops to stop policing so much, to avoid costly mistakes like this one, and they did. If they are going to get demonized for doing their job, find a way to stop being demonized. (stop doing your job) It's a dangerous game to vilify the entirety of the police over a few instances that are questionable. If you do, you may have this situation, where policing becomes a liability. And the people who initiated the conflict ultimately suffer.



weird ultimatum... kill citizens and get off free or dont police at all....

only in America.

so they don't want to be held accountable for their actions and still get paid...

full support on ats... aka the majority




posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
Have you considered blaming the people committing the crimes?


citizens commit crimes. thats why we entrust the law enforcement to enforce the laws, not break them and expect no repercussions



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
weird ultimatum... kill citizens and get off free or dont police at all....

only in America.

so they don't want to be held accountable for their actions and still get paid...

full support on ats... aka the majority


I don't think that's what network dude was saying, nor has anyone else in this thread.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:23 AM
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Maybe its because the Baltimore police were caught planting guns and drugs .



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: loam

See, this is the sort of stupidity that we are dealing with in the modern world.

"Won't let us get away with just the shoddiest policing possible? Fine, we won't do ANY policing then!"

Lets be perfectly clear about what is, and is not happening here.

What is happening here, is a police department holding a city to ransom, effectively going on strike while on the clock, presumably to force local government and the citizens of the area, to accept whatever the police do, no matter how violent, inconsiderate, insensitive or amoral. What is not happening here, is cops being "afraid to do their jobs" or some such rubbish. If they made good arrests, ensured the safety of arrested parties, and had not DAMAGED A MANS SPINAL CORD TO THE POINT WHERE HE DIED, the department responsible would never have had six officers up on charges ranging from second degree, "depraved-heart" murder, manslaughter, through to false arrest.

If those officers had been doing their jobs, rather than behaving like a group of robotic gestapo officers, on a mission from the darkest heart of the third bloody Reich, then their department would not have been the centre of the manure storm it has found itself in since.

This is blackmail on a massive scale, and the department needs new membership and new leadership, IMMEDIATELY, if this is the best they can come up with.

Hey, Baltimore PD... try doing the job you were hired for, rather than the one they would have hired Judge Dredd to do.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:26 AM
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Mostly black on black crime so why risk your life if it's not going to change anything and possibly make it worse.




posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: network dude

It doesn't help that when there is an investigation, one of the star witnesses gets killed the day before they're supposed to testify. Every other time a cop gets killed the department pulls out all the stops to bring the killer to justice. Except this time it seems like the department did the bare minimum and did everything in their power to keep the FBI from investigating.

How coincidental.

To this day the killer still hasn't been found and the department has seemingly dropped the case.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: odzeandennz

In America if a black man attacks the police CNN will air footage making it out to be the black man was in the right and people will protest. In the current political climate EVERYTHING is racist, it prevents meaningful discussion and figuring out what actually happened.
edit on 13-7-2018 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

For the most part, yes.

People can complain how unfair the politics have become all day long. But in the end, it's about organizational leadership, accountability and professionalism. Fix those and the rest takes care of itself or renders the noise completely meaningless.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: loam

I disagree, the noise will not become meaningless because they don't actually care. That is not an excuse to not fix the problem though.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: loam

One of the hardest determinations to make, in my opinion, is when and how a police officer crosses the line from aggressive to abusive.

That line is the issue here as I see it. That and the ongoing debate over racial profiling.

FWIW



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

All those officers were acquitted or charges dropped.

Source



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: loam


Obvious lazy slugs are obvious.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: loam

I think the city government told the cops to stop policing so much, to avoid costly mistakes like this one, and they did. If they are going to get demonized for doing their job, find a way to stop being demonized. (stop doing your job) It's a dangerous game to vilify the entirety of the police over a few instances that are questionable. If you do, you may have this situation, where policing becomes a liability. And the people who initiated the conflict ultimately suffer.



weird ultimatum... kill citizens and get off free or dont police at all....

only in America.

so they don't want to be held accountable for their actions and still get paid...

full support on ats... aka the majority


who supports bad cops? They make the whole look bad. And as LOAM mentioned, the good ones don't seem to stand up against the bad ones, so the problem doesn't get fixed. What is your suggestion to fix this?



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Or, maybe its just that when you decide to stop policing so much, you need to enable your citizenry to defend themselves appropriately.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Or, maybe its just that when you decide to stop policing so much, you need to enable your citizenry to defend themselves appropriately.


You have a better chance of seeing Jesus, the Baby Jesus and all the other Jesuses than getting a carry permit in Maryland.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
One could argue there is a direct relationship between the inability to get a permit and seeing Jesus.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: loam

I think the city government told the cops to stop policing so much, to avoid costly mistakes like this one, and they did. If they are going to get demonized for doing their job, find a way to stop being demonized. (stop doing your job) It's a dangerous game to vilify the entirety of the police over a few instances that are questionable. If you do, you may have this situation, where policing becomes a liability. And the people who initiated the conflict ultimately suffer.



weird ultimatum... kill citizens and get off free or dont police at all....

only in America.

so they don't want to be held accountable for their actions and still get paid...

full support on ats... aka the majority


who supports bad cops? They make the whole look bad. And as LOAM mentioned, the good ones don't seem to stand up against the bad ones, so the problem doesn't get fixed. What is your suggestion to fix this?


in the military, under the ucmj, there are no technicalities, no 'felt threatened and shoot', no high profile lawyers, no administrative paid leave, no unions. you fak up, you pay the price, for life. hence why we seldom hear about soldiers, sailors, marines, simply killing because they feel someway. you kill if you're coming under fire or at a known enemy location, or persons armed with intent on harming you or the guy in front of you.

no more no less... which is why justice under the ucmj is swift and to the point... no high profile circus cases.

the real solution to America's police delinquency is a governing system like the ucmj. that would deter all the 'bad apples' from joining the force.

thats my solution because handing out millions to victims families hasn't been a good deterrent to bad cops has it.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn

And a man died anyway.

Also, one of those officers had a mistrial, as a result of a hung jury. That officer was the first to be tried.



posted on Jul, 13 2018 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz


thats my solution because handing out millions to victims families hasn't been a good deterrent to bad cops has it.


nope, it sure hasn't. The cops don't have to pay that money, the local tax payers do. Citizens. It sounds like your idea isn't far from mine. I don't know if it would work, but I am pretty sure of one thing. If we do nothing, nothing will change.







 
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