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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: JBurns
No but it is an official policy to jail people I The first place..
An official policy trump changed to zero tolerance.
originally posted by: Kharron
Let's look at a hypothetical situation.
Suppose a very authoritarian Democrat became the Governor of Alabama, Kansas or maybe Louisiana; a State where anti-sodomy laws are still in effect, even though they have been federally banned.
And let's suppose that Democrat governor instructed the police to arrest all people who are of the same sex, male, and are in a relationship, who are engaged in sodomy. At the same time because the couples are arrested, any children they may have or have adopted are also detained, albeit separately -- we don't want to arrest children, right? So, we'll separate them and detain them by themselves. Not arrest, detain. Different words.
The citizens are not only against the enactment of some archaic law, they are outraged that the government would arrest people for it and then separate children from their parents.
The governor can't believe this is happening and says it's not his fault, the Republicans wrote the anti-sodomy bill.
This is more similar than it's dissimilar from what is going on today. Yes, there was a bill for keeping children separate from those arrested but no one was engaged in zero tolerance until now either, were they?
originally posted by: Kharron
a reply to: face23785
But it does not have to be enforced either, does it? If it's been a choice for all other admins, or a situation has never arisen for it to be an issue... why does it become an issue for this one suddenly? What changed?
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Kharron
a reply to: face23785
But it does not have to be enforced either, does it? If it's been a choice for all other admins, or a situation has never arisen for it to be an issue... why does it become an issue for this one suddenly? What changed?
If you change the law you don't have to worry about whether it's enforced or not. Why is it suddenly an issue that it's "enforced more" when it was enforced before and nobody cared. Separating x many children is okay, but 2x is not? That a strange form of morality.
Sounds more like people just needed something to run on for the midterms.
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Kharron
a reply to: face23785
But it does not have to be enforced either, does it? If it's been a choice for all other admins, or a situation has never arisen for it to be an issue... why does it become an issue for this one suddenly? What changed?
If you change the law you don't have to worry about whether it's enforced or not. Why is it suddenly an issue that it's "enforced more" when it was enforced before and nobody cared. Separating x many children is okay, but 2x is not? That a strange form of morality.
Sounds more like people just needed something to run on for the midterms.
I agree with you, the laws should be changed but until they are, they should not be used as an excuse to perform such deeds.
If one thinks they should be changed, then don't engage in them -- that's a choice. No one was holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to enact zero tolerance and then to separate thousands of children, as per some law that never caused such issues before.
Besides, I think these facilities may have been equipped to deal with an occasional detained child, but I bet there is a big difference with having a child with a social worker, one on one... and a hundred children per social worker, with armed guards. Not letting senators in.
A bit different.
People committing illegal acts should not go to jail ?