Shag Harbor is regarded by most to be a fraud. I believe Kevin Randle goes into this well in "The UFO Casebook"....

The UFO crash video is also highly regarded as a fraud, and for some pretty valid reasons imho...

I'm a believer, as anyone can tell, but you gotta call 'em like you see 'em too.....

Thanx Gazrok,

I am really enjoying your "Case for Roswell" threads! KUTGW!!

Originally posted by Gazrok
Shag Harbor is regarded by most to be a fraud. I believe Kevin Randle goes into this well in "The UFO Casebook"....

Where did you hear that Shag Harbor was a fraud, besides from Kevin Randle? I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that it was a solid case.

Also, Kevin Randle...I can't figure out whether he's a skeptic or a UFO researcher. He seems to buy Roswell (the alien crash explation), but discount everything else. He confuses me....

I found a pic somewhere on the web last year, supposedly showing the Shag Harbour object, underwater. The picture got my attention, as it shows a distinct green round glow. It was what I saw in the Indian Ocean-
I also thought the Shag Harbour incident was very well documented, and about as credible as they come. Too many people saw the object.

Where did you hear that Shag Harbor was a fraud, besides from Kevin Randle? I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that it was a solid case.

Also, Kevin Randle...I can't figure out whether he's a skeptic or a UFO researcher. He seems to buy Roswell (the alien crash explation), but discount everything else. He confuses me....

Let me check to be sure I'm not mixing this case up with another...(possibly I'll look tonight when I get home). I'm a pretty skeptical guy myself, despite being a believer. I've actually met and spoken with Kevin Randle, and Don Schmitt (who collaborated with him on some Roswell projects, met them at a Sci Fi con in Atlanta). Both struck me as pretty decent guys and sincere in their quest (though Schmitt sometimes is too accepting without concrete info). If the case I'm thinking of is correct (I often mix up Shag with another similar case), then the evidence for it being a hoax is pretty solid, but again, I'll double check before coming back to this thread. (and will present the evidence if I've got the right case).

Originally posted by Flinx
Where did you hear that Shag Harbor was a fraud, besides from Kevin Randle? I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that it was a solid case.

That was my impression too... But I dont know.

Sorry about that, yes I did get it confused with another case. The other case I'm thinking of mentions finding "slag", and I usually confuse this with the name "Shag" of the harbor, as the other case also involves a UFO crash and a harbor. My bad... Hey, nobody's perfect.

I did a quick look just to see, and sure enough, I was getting it mixed up yet again... I'll probably be adding Shag Harbor to my list of incidents to revisit...

The case I'm thinking of involved alleged pieces retrieved from an exploding UFO, and a downed aircraft with military pilots, etc. It was a pretty convoluted set of bizarre circumstances, fraud, etc. but this is NOT the Shag Harbor case, so again, my bad....

[edit on 22-2-2005 by Gazrok]

Gaz, you probably know I am a hard core skeptic, but even I think there might be something to shag harbor.
Plus its got such a great name.

From what I saw on the History Channel, An Object or Ojects reported crashed in Shag Harbor, It was reported as an Airplane crash Not a UFO crash at first. Divers reports weird yellow oil type substance on the surface. But no wreakage etc. Now they say the unoffical story and this was suposedly agreeed upun by the Navy divers that dove it. The craft made its way up to Goverment point at that Time a US Navy Base on Canadian Soil. It set off its Underwater Sub Grid and "A Floatila of boats" Sat above it. They said they dove on it and saw actually things moving around in it etc. and that there was more then one.

It then went out to the bay of Nova Scotia about a week later, left the water and flew away.

Very interesting, I am still on the fence when it comes to these crashes, and the main reason is why do these "craft" always crash away from heavily populated areas? Maybe they know they are in trouble/losing control and steer the craft towards sparcely populated areas? Sorry for answering my own question!

But why are these so called extremely sofisticated craft, losing control and crashing so often? Sorry to go a bit off the topic, just "think-typing". If what ShiftTrio says happened, then they didn't crash as such, just stopped off to view the bottom of the harbour, then flew off again. Were they repairing their ship?

The only really (I'll say 'nearly') believable evidence of an alien craft is the incident at Roswell, and thanks to people like Gazrok, I am leaning toward this one being true.

Many researchers (myself included) believe the early crashes were due to them being unfamiliar powerful radar arrays and how they could affect their drive mechanism. I don't think it's too difficult to believe that they would be so beyond something like radar, that it was likely an unforeseen issue. Indeed, most crashes happened during a short period of time, and most well-documented ones (what few there are) were near powerful radar arrays (which weren't exactly common as they were new at the time in question). I don't think it was alien incompetence, simply an unforeseen complication. Seems even aliens are subject to Murphy's Law, hehe...

Has anyone done a correlation between alleged crashes and the placement of powerful radar arrays? This would be interesting to see if there really is any correlation. Are there any other criteria that is the same in all or most alleged alien crashes, like near military bases, near nuclear testing sites, etc ?

I would not know where to start with finding all the info needed for that kind of study, it would be a major task, if there is anyone with time to do it, I'm sure that it would be very useful. Maybe there already is a report or something showing all the correlating data ?

[edit on 24-3-2005 by celticniall]

Heh, I wooed a girl called Harbour and sure enough she was a slag!

Didn't Canada have something to say about this case?

Didn't the craft crash somewhere else first?

Didn't the craft crash somewhere else first?

No it crashed in Shag Harbour first in sight of the shore. Fishermen from Shag Harbour used their fishing boats to help search for what they thought was a crashed plane. Then as far as I can remember it travled underwater to a area near Shelburne near the old naval base.

[edit on 24-3-2005 by Morjit]

maybe the craft didnt crash maybe it was retrieving something underwater.