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posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

On another related point ... you seem to be falling into the common rhetoric of asking "how will we pay for social safety systems, etc."

We could start by moving some of the ludicrous outlandish spending from the military-industrial piggy bank ... stop policing the world perhaps?




posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:36 PM
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I cannot believe we are still banding around the Hitler and socialist thing, even my 15 year old so knows the truth...he essentially was rejected by the left and took his revenge.

Ironically can the same not be said of Trump...Democrats are not as far right as Republicans and he was rejected years ago by the Democrats (well he switched his alligence there is an interview where he states Republicans are idiots and he could get them to vote for him...or something like that).

America as it stands today is on the wrong side of history, with the separation of children from their parents to running amok over international diplomacy.

Earlier today he tweeted about how the UK "loves me" rubbish, just because he says something doesn't make it true and if the media report differently it doesn't make it fake news, it more than likely is offsetting Trump's lie with the truth.

Gonna be a lot of protests here in the morning, I see little difference between Hitler and Trump both have some interesting points both however have no problem with infringing human rights.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: solargeddon

Trump isn't Hitler. That's too easy.

Trump isn't a tyrant or a dictator ... he's a spoiled CEO that has always been catered to. When he's not catered to, he explodes.

He's actually growing into the Office in my opinion (with notable lapses like the NATO gaffe).



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Ahabstar

On another related point ... you seem to be falling into the common rhetoric of asking "how will we pay for social safety systems, etc."

We could start by moving some of the ludicrous outlandish spending from the military-industrial piggy bank ... stop policing the world perhaps?



See here. The military spending isn't as outlandish as it's made out to sound. We could literally cut military spending to zero and we'd still be running a deficit.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

They're related in exactly the way I explained they're related, you're just ignoring my explanation and not responding to anything I said. On the other hand, you're taking another poster's post and relating it to mine, for some reason? Weird standards.

Yeah, I guess we can let it go, since you don't appear to actually want to respond to what I'm saying.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: solargeddon

Trump isn't Hitler. That's too easy.

Trump isn't a tyrant or a dictator ... he's a spoiled CEO that has always been catered to. When he's not catered to, he explodes.

He's actually growing into the Office in my opinion (with notable lapses like the NATO gaffe).



I disagree, I see synchronicities....just remember business is booming until he goes bankrupt...again this time he takes the US with him.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: solargeddon

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: solargeddon

Trump isn't Hitler. That's too easy.

Trump isn't a tyrant or a dictator ... he's a spoiled CEO that has always been catered to. When he's not catered to, he explodes.

He's actually growing into the Office in my opinion (with notable lapses like the NATO gaffe).



I disagree, I see synchronicities....just remember business is booming until he goes bankrupt...again this time he takes the US with him.


He's been losing money since he's been in office. Since before he won actually.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: xBWOMPx
So, anyway, to me it makes it sound like "See, far right extremist conservatives are nazis" but in reality people who know real history nazis have ALWAYS been a socialist. During WWII nazis were far right back then ONLY because there fellow counter part were communist.

No, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what right and left mean.

Nazis were in Germany; Left and Right originated in Europe during the lead up to the French Revolution:
Right believes in supremacy of the state.
Left believes in supremacy of the individual (e: maybe 'the people' would be a better way to think of it).

As for Nazis, do you think the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (also known as North Korea) is a democracy, a republic, or even the people's?

A saying after WW2 was probably something you've heard before:

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


See how that this starts with 'Then' implying something came first? Well, here's the rest:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.


Kind of funny how we hear the last two bits, but not so much the first two, eh?


Left and right in europe had different meaning and at different times. Socialism is never about supremacy of the individual. How is that even possible when socialism has always turned into the government micro managing every aspect of your life? You are horribly confused.

You are the one who is confused.

Left is not equal to Socialism. Again:

originally posted by: Greven
Nazis were in Germany; Left and Right originated in Europe during the lead up to the French Revolution:
Right believes in supremacy of the state.
Left believes in supremacy of the individual (e: maybe 'the people' would be a better way to think of it).

I didn't say socialism was about supremacy of the individual. You are projecting the idea that Left = Socialism.

You are mistaken... about a great many things.

Also, you completely ignored the whole bit about Nazis coming for the Socialists first.

Maybe you should read up on some things like the Reichstag fire. Nazis came after socialists early on, which you ignored in your response.
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posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar




So I asked myself where does the money for the UBI come from? And that was when I realized how it would be collected (ungodly oppressive taxes) from the employed wishing to better their existence. UBI is a teenager’s set allowance and picking up a job working for the man to get an Xbox and few games.


1500€ for every adult and half of that for every kid sounds not too shabby. An ungodly tax of something around 0.1% or 0.5% on derivate trades will do for Germany, if I remember that joke correctly.

You have lots of research to do, don't give up now!



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: solargeddon

I don't disagree with your thought process ... I just don't seem them as that similar.

Hitler was a long-term ideologue; Trump is a high-stakes grifter.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Gryphon66

They're related in exactly the way I explained they're related, you're just ignoring my explanation and not responding to anything I said. On the other hand, you're taking another poster's post and relating it to mine, for some reason? Weird standards.

Yeah, I guess we can let it go, since you don't appear to actually want to respond to what I'm saying.


Yes, once again, you're appealing to your own authority ... which I for one don't recognize. You don't need responding to as you're only giving your opinion.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: Greven

I quoted AH himself stating clearly that the Nazis were Right politically, opposed to the Marxist Jewish Left.

That wasn't good enough to settle the argument which is apparently based on ignorance and willful misinterpretation.

We're wasting our time again, in short ... LOL.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: solargeddon
I cannot believe we are still banding around the Hitler and socialist thing, even my 15 year old so knows the truth...he essentially was rejected by the left and took his revenge.

Ironically can the same not be said of Trump...Democrats are not as far right as Republicans and he was rejected years ago by the Democrats (well he switched his alligence there is an interview where he states Republicans are idiots and he could get them to vote for him...or something like that).

America as it stands today is on the wrong side of history, with the separation of children from their parents to running amok over international diplomacy.

Earlier today he tweeted about how the UK "loves me" rubbish, just because he says something doesn't make it true and if the media report differently it doesn't make it fake news, it more than likely is offsetting Trump's lie with the truth.

Gonna be a lot of protests here in the morning, I see little difference between Hitler and Trump both have some interesting points both however have no problem with infringing human rights.



Children have been separated from their parents long before trump, nothing new, Obama did it, Bush did it, Clinton did it, Hell, Obama deported more Illegals then any other president.

In germany during WWII it was COMMUNIST LEFT and SOCIALIST RIGHT for F*ucks sake. I dont care what trump said about the UK the media loves to stir s*hit if you havent noticed. TBH I think they (democrats and republicans) are on the same side just like all the wrestlers in WWE or whatever its called putting on a show, anyway, dividing the people and most of the people are eating it up and drinking the koolaid (stirred S*hit). It's all moves to have our rights slowly but surely taken away.

Kids these days are being indoctrinated to know lies and false histories for our countries future and the downfall of this great nation. ONE day our grand children will look back at us from the new millennium and thank us for failing them! I guarantee. We will be the generation to destroy what America once was and will never be again. I Guarantee one day in the future people then will be wishing for America to be back the way it use to be and how we all got suckered!



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Gryphon66

They're related in exactly the way I explained they're related, you're just ignoring my explanation and not responding to anything I said. On the other hand, you're taking another poster's post and relating it to mine, for some reason? Weird standards.

Yeah, I guess we can let it go, since you don't appear to actually want to respond to what I'm saying.


Yes, once again, you're appealing to your own authority ... which I for one don't recognize. You don't need responding to as you're only giving your opinion.


You failed to explain how what I said was wrong. You failed to respond to it in any substantive way really. I don't need your recognition, but if you keep insisting on responding to my posts, it might be prudent to address my points. Otherwise, what's the point of responding to me?



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: xBWOMPx

Wow how deluded are you!

Under Obama only children of parents who were criminals were separated, I don't even live in the US and I know this.

Swearing won't make your point correct, the Nazi's weren't socialist's yet you band the term around as if to say it is synonymous with the left...choose better wording.

You thnk the media are stirring the pot think again Trump tweeted that Scotland were wild for the vote (Brexit) what followed were numerous tweets regarding the truth....Scotland voted to remain in the EU so Trump is basically lying...interestingly enough at the end of this portion of your response you almost look resigned to the fact that Trump is just as bad the rest which is interesting.

Your last paragrph reads as though you are willing America to implode on itself...why what does that get you?

Dead fast surely?

I don't know about the US but here in the UK education is valued for the best part there is no brainwashing or indoctrination my son is being given a balanced and robust education...what school cannot provide I fill in the blanks, however my son's education is first rate whatever happens he has been better educated than me and will be better placed to going forward to contribute to discussion in general.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: face23785

You were challenging something I said, not the other way 'round friend.

Your comments at the outset were snide and referred me to the OP which is simply asinine after I gave you a courteous chance to actually make a relevant point.

However, I do have a solution to our quandary.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
A lot of the confusion about Nazis being "far right" comes from people who think "left" and "right" are the only directions on the political spectrum. Nazis are authoritarian, which people today associate with the right, but authoritarianism is neither left nor right.

Wishful thinking. You could perhaps argue it is different these days, but history is history.

Recall, this originated from where politicians sat in assembly in France... the President sat in the middle, the people who supported the King sat on the right, and the people opposed sat on the left.

What were these politicians divided on?
How much authority the King should have - originally, the rift was about how powerful the King's veto was to be.

The Right were conservative monarchists, who supported the King having more power.
The Left were liberal anti-royalists, who supported reducing the King's power.
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posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: solargeddon
a reply to: xBWOMPx

Wow how deluded are you!

Under Obama only children of parents who were criminals were separated, I don't even live in the US and I know this.



This is wrong.


“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available.


Source

Also, note the Obama administration failed to always determine familial relationship for certain, and as a result released some kids to human traffickers. I'd submit staying in one of those centers for longer than 20 days is more humane than being handed over to slave traders.

Source


As detention centers became incapable of housing the massive influx of migrants, the Department of Health and Human Services started placing children into the care of sponsors who would oversee the minors until their bids for refugee status could be reviewed. But in many cases, officials failed to confirm whether the adults volunteering for this task were actually relatives or good Samaritans — and not unscrupulous egg farmers or child molesters. The department performed check-in visits at caretakers’ homes in only 5 percent of cases between 2013 and 2015, according to the report.

The Senate’s investigation built on an Associated Press report that found more than two dozen unaccompanied children were placed in homes where they were sexually abused, starved, or forced into slave labor. HHS claimed that it lacked the funds and authorities that a more rigorous screening process would have required. However, the investigation also found that HHS did not spend all of the money allocated to it for handling the crisis.

The agency placed 90,000 migrant children into sponsor care between 2013 and 2015. Exactly how many of those fell prey to traffickers is unknown, because the agency does not keep track.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: solargeddon

I don't disagree with your thought process ... I just don't seem them as that similar.

Hitler was a long-term ideologue; Trump is a high-stakes grifter.


Put it this way Trump is a long game ideologue who took a long time to be taken seriously enough.

I don't think I am putting this across in the most eloquent way, that is to say Trump has had a long standing ambition to break into politics, probably for self ambition, certainly for ego, underpinning all this though is a set of beliefs he very much wills others to adopt.

There are parralells to be drawn, both aren't entirely without an argument, yet it doesn't mean what they do is right, nor for the best of the majority.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: face23785
A lot of the confusion about Nazis being "far right" comes from people who think "left" and "right" are the only directions on the political spectrum. Nazis are authoritarian, which people today associate with the right, but authoritarianism is neither left nor right.

Wishful thinking. You could perhaps argue it is different these days, but history is history.

Recall, this originated from where politicians sat in assembly in France... the King sat in the middle, the people who supported the King sat on the right, and the people opposed sat on the left of the King.

What were these politicians divided on?
How much authority the King should have - originally, the rift was about how powerful the King's veto was.

The Right were conservative monarchists, who supported the King having more power.
The Left were liberal anti-royalists, who supported reducing the King's power.


Yeah, my statement stands. The Nazis were authoritarians. Authoritarians can be left or right. The origins of the terms left and right in political speak don't change that. Authoritarians are still not inherently left or right.



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