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posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 12:04 PM
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A lot of the confusion about Nazis being "far right" comes from people who think "left" and "right" are the only directions on the political spectrum. Nazis are authoritarian, which people today associate with the right, but authoritarianism is neither left nor right.




posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Aaahhh, thank you, at least you understand!



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: xBWOMPx

They were called national socialists because their ideology was basically "socialism, eventually, but only for people like us" and of course it took an authoritarian regime to get rid of all the people not like them.

Actually sounds an awful lot like today's leftists. They want socialism, and any means no matter how immoral are justified by that end. To get there, they want to get rid of those evil conservatives. Don't agree with them? You're labeled something society finds bad (racist, sexist etc), denied speaking opportunities, told don't show your face in public, you deserve to be physically attacked or even killed.
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posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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Progressivism requires a degree of Authoritative Power to enforce the benevolent benefits. But if you look very closely, the only advocation towards the common people is to reap benefits of money (through taxation or other fees, fines and penalties) and power over those people.

On a macro level, a homeowners association is a good example.
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posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: face23785

Progressivism requires a degree of Authoritative Power to enforce the benevolent benefits. But if you look very closely, the only advocation towards the common people is to reap benefits of money (through taxation or other fees, fines and penalties) and power over those people.

On a macro level, a homeowners association is a good example.


Oh there's a lot more such examples. Just look at what unions have become. They were critical for workers' rights in their time, and still are in a few situations here and there, but now they're mostly just a money-making scheme. Same with the civil rights movement. We got our rights, but damn there's a lot of money involved in this, we can't just disband, so we have to keep inventing issues. Attack a cop and get shot? Racism.

Women's lib, another one. I can go on and on. Accomplished their goals, kept on because it's easy money, power and votes from the gullible addicts of victimhood.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: xBWOMPx

They were called national socialists because their ideology was basically "socialism, eventually, but only for people like us" and of course it took an authoritarian regime to get rid of all the people not like them.

Actually sounds an awful lot like today's leftists. They want socialism, and any means no matter how immoral are justified by that end. To get there, they want to get rid of those evil conservatives. Don't agree with them? You're labeled something society finds bad (racist, sexist etc), denied speaking opportunities, told don't show your face in public, you deserve to be physically attacked or even killed.


You hit the nail on the head, i've tried to say something like that, IDK sometimes words dont come out of my mouth correctly onto the key board, Kind of like my title, I never meant for people to take the article as being fake news, I just meant the title and how people in America are perceiving it. Anyhow, BRAVO (CLAP CLAP CLAP) BRAVO



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 02:54 PM
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Equal Pay for Equal Work....minimum wage is the same for everyone. That is a backfire waiting to happen, but you can’t tell people that.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: face23785

Progressivism requires a degree of Authoritative Power to enforce the benevolent benefits. But if you look very closely, the only advocation towards the common people is to reap benefits of money (through taxation or other fees, fines and penalties) and power over those people.

On a macro level, a homeowners association is a good example.


Oh there's a lot more such examples. Just look at what unions have become. They were critical for workers' rights in their time, and still are in a few situations here and there, but now they're mostly just a money-making scheme. Same with the civil rights movement. We got our rights, but damn there's a lot of money involved in this, we can't just disband, so we have to keep inventing issues. Attack a cop and get shot? Racism.

Women's lib, another one. I can go on and on. Accomplished their goals, kept on because it's easy money, power and votes from the gullible addicts of victimhood.


PFFFFT tell me about it, I went to my union rep and asked them how I can fire everyone and start a new union. We have all been SCREWED the last time. usually union contracts renew every 2 or 3 years but some how they shafted us a 10 year contract with very small bonuses compared to last and very S*hity health ins. The same union that does all aircraft companies here from cessna to boeing to beach to spirit... PFFFT, while the head hancho makes a ton of money and our union dues keep going up so they can have there meetings in tropical paradises off the workers back! Once my house and cars are paid off im going to see what I can do to run a strike and fire the current union and set rules on income as union stewards and workers so they can not become rich off the workers back. a lof of my fellow workers liked this idea, I told them I would place union dues but those who paid would be distributed back there money at the end of the year that was over paid except X amount of dollars being needed to start the year off and NOBODY would be making a living off the union dues and all will have public access to the books to follow the money that shows what is going on with the union dues. Im all about hard work yes but im also all about leading by example. I will try in about 10 years give or take, by then I wont care if I lose my job but I will fight to get the people to drop them and move for something better! I pay $16 a week in union dues and ll I get is a lousy t shirt! pffft PFFFFT!!!



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: face23785

Equal Pay for Equal Work....minimum wage is the same for everyone. That is a backfire waiting to happen, but you can’t tell people that.


Minimum wage was designed for anyone to work any job and beable to pay all bills, home, food, transportation, etc. if they wanna flip burgers their whole life that's there choice. BUT minimum wage was designed so people can work 40 hours a week and sustain a home. Back then they could, they can today but the CEO's and presidents dont want to give up any of there MILLIONS so everyone else can be alright, no, they make excuses and raise prices on crap so they can sustain their over grown bank accounts. It is bulls*hit



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: face23785

Equal Pay for Equal Work....minimum wage is the same for everyone. That is a backfire waiting to happen, but you can’t tell people that.


Minimum wage was designed for anyone to work any job and beable to pay all bills, home, food, transportation, etc. if they wanna flip burgers their whole life that's there choice. BUT minimum wage was designed so people can work 40 hours a week and sustain a home. Back then they could, they can today but the CEO's and presidents dont want to give up any of there MILLIONS so everyone else can be alright, no, they make excuses and raise prices on crap so they can sustain their over grown bank accounts. It is bulls*hit


Eh it's a lot more complicated than that. For one thing, minimum wage was designed back when a roof over your head and food on the table was considered your bare necessities. Now, "necessities" include things like internet access, a new smart phone every year or two, your yearly battle with Jerry down the street of who can have the biggest flat screen, buying cars that are marketed to people making 2 or 3 times as much money as you do, I can go on and on.

"Back in the day", people weren't blowing their money left and right on # they don't really need. We've become so consumerist we drive ourselves into poverty buying junk. Just look around your house at all the # you don't need, you'll make yourself sick thinking about all that money you wasted.

The other thing is that minimum wage really shouldn't be set at the federal level. Cost of living varies drastically between states. The wage you can live on in Mississippi is much lower than the wage you can live on in California or New Jersey. The entire minimum wage conversation needs to be yanked back into reality to consider this fact.

(Federal welfare programs suffer from the same problem. They don't take the cost of living of the states into account, so in states with very low cost of living - and thus lower wages - a lot more people qualify for welfare when some of them don't even really need it. This is where the whole "but red states get the most welfare" thing comes from, because a lot of red states have low cost of living and low wages to match, so they meet the federal requirements for welfare. Who the hell is going to turn down that money if you qualify for it?)



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Kharron
a reply to: xBWOMPx

I'm not seeing it that way. The article actually left me feeling that, even though they did some terrible things, she turned herself in, spoke only twice in 400 days and did not try to make excuses, said she was sorry and said she felt guilty she did not put a stop to it. What more can you ask for when the deed is already done.



It's too bad Hillary Clinton doesn't have the integrity to "come clean". It could help her be an acceptable Presidential candidate again.

That's what's called 'triggered', right? No comment on the erroneous naming of the Nazis as socialist?



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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Reminds me of an old conversation decades ago in high school.

But Ahab, why don’t you support this and that and every last little thing for the betterment of people that don’t have it?

Because things have to be paid for one way or another and I have a higher goals with my life than to simply be the chattel on a tax farm.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Define progressivism in your terms please.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Do you have statements from Nazis that back up the "socialism, eventually" comment?

They were hateful toward Marxism. Those were one of the first groups they attacked due of course to the Jewish origins involved.

Also what schema are you using in which authoritarianism is another axis? On what scale?

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posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: face23785

Do you have statements from Nazis that back up the "socialism, eventually" comment?

They were hateful toward Marxism. Those were one of the first groups they attacked due of course to the Jewish origins involved.

Also what schema are you using in which authoritarianism is another axis? On what scale?


I wish you could go to a library and fact check your belief because I guarantee you wont find anywhere in history books that WWII Nazi's hated socialism and attacked jews because they were Marxist. This is all new news to me within the last few short years. I learned in school in the 90's other wise. My wife learned the same as I after the millennium in school in Mexico, totally different country. She raises her eye brows when she reads how people in America think Nazi's hated socialism. All this history changing is really blowing my mind!



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: face23785

Equal Pay for Equal Work....minimum wage is the same for everyone. That is a backfire waiting to happen, but you can’t tell people that.


Minimum wage was designed for anyone to work any job and beable to pay all bills, home, food, transportation, etc. if they wanna flip burgers their whole life that's there choice. BUT minimum wage was designed so people can work 40 hours a week and sustain a home. Back then they could, they can today but the CEO's and presidents dont want to give up any of there MILLIONS so everyone else can be alright, no, they make excuses and raise prices on crap so they can sustain their over grown bank accounts. It is bulls*hit


Eh it's a lot more complicated than that. For one thing, minimum wage was designed back when a roof over your head and food on the table was considered your bare necessities. Now, "necessities" include things like internet access, a new smart phone every year or two, your yearly battle with Jerry down the street of who can have the biggest flat screen, buying cars that are marketed to people making 2 or 3 times as much money as you do, I can go on and on.

"Back in the day", people weren't blowing their money left and right on # they don't really need. We've become so consumerist we drive ourselves into poverty buying junk. Just look around your house at all the # you don't need, you'll make yourself sick thinking about all that money you wasted.

The other thing is that minimum wage really shouldn't be set at the federal level. Cost of living varies drastically between states. The wage you can live on in Mississippi is much lower than the wage you can live on in California or New Jersey. The entire minimum wage conversation needs to be yanked back into reality to consider this fact.

(Federal welfare programs suffer from the same problem. They don't take the cost of living of the states into account, so in states with very low cost of living - and thus lower wages - a lot more people qualify for welfare when some of them don't even really need it. This is where the whole "but red states get the most welfare" thing comes from, because a lot of red states have low cost of living and low wages to match, so they meet the federal requirements for welfare. Who the hell is going to turn down that money if you qualify for it?)


My definition of necessity is different then yours. Internet and phone are not necessity to live nor survive. I just got a cell phone 2 1/2 years ago after not having one for 2 or 3 years. the only reason I got one was the fact I was moving to Seattle washington and needed one for the journey and contact with family. Today people think social media is a necessity. It's sad, what you need for survival and to live is necessity, not luxury's, only in america.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 05:14 PM
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Why are you stuck on this "go to the library" meme?

Your guarantee isn't worth the electrons it took to send it to the screen. Your position is just plain old ignorant.

These are Adolf Hitler's OWN WORDS.



There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan, or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew.

Adolf Hitler
Munich - Speech of April 12, 1922



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: face23785

Equal Pay for Equal Work....minimum wage is the same for everyone. That is a backfire waiting to happen, but you can’t tell people that.


Minimum wage was designed for anyone to work any job and beable to pay all bills, home, food, transportation, etc. if they wanna flip burgers their whole life that's there choice. BUT minimum wage was designed so people can work 40 hours a week and sustain a home. Back then they could, they can today but the CEO's and presidents dont want to give up any of there MILLIONS so everyone else can be alright, no, they make excuses and raise prices on crap so they can sustain their over grown bank accounts. It is bulls*hit


Eh it's a lot more complicated than that. For one thing, minimum wage was designed back when a roof over your head and food on the table was considered your bare necessities. Now, "necessities" include things like internet access, a new smart phone every year or two, your yearly battle with Jerry down the street of who can have the biggest flat screen, buying cars that are marketed to people making 2 or 3 times as much money as you do, I can go on and on.

"Back in the day", people weren't blowing their money left and right on # they don't really need. We've become so consumerist we drive ourselves into poverty buying junk. Just look around your house at all the # you don't need, you'll make yourself sick thinking about all that money you wasted.

The other thing is that minimum wage really shouldn't be set at the federal level. Cost of living varies drastically between states. The wage you can live on in Mississippi is much lower than the wage you can live on in California or New Jersey. The entire minimum wage conversation needs to be yanked back into reality to consider this fact.

(Federal welfare programs suffer from the same problem. They don't take the cost of living of the states into account, so in states with very low cost of living - and thus lower wages - a lot more people qualify for welfare when some of them don't even really need it. This is where the whole "but red states get the most welfare" thing comes from, because a lot of red states have low cost of living and low wages to match, so they meet the federal requirements for welfare. Who the hell is going to turn down that money if you qualify for it?)


My definition of necessity is different then yours. Internet and phone are not necessity to live nor survive. I just got a cell phone 2 1/2 years ago after not having one for 2 or 3 years. the only reason I got one was the fact I was moving to Seattle washington and needed one for the journey and contact with family. Today people think social media is a necessity. It's sad, what you need for survival and to live is necessity, not luxury's, only in america.


That was pretty much my point.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xBWOMPx

Why are you stuck on this "go to the library" meme?

Your guarantee isn't worth the electrons it took to send it to the screen. Your position is just plain old ignorant.

These are Adolf Hitler's OWN WORDS.



There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan, or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew.

Adolf Hitler
Munich - Speech of April 12, 1922




This is actually explained in the OP. Nothing you just said is mutually exclusive of what he explained in the OP.



posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

An authoritarian form of capitalism that masquerades as socialism but requires fuedalistic constructs to function. The government owns a piece of the monetary rewards on all levels of production by decree to fund programs which have an end goal of increasing the money flow.

Sick and injured do not produce for the system as effectively, nor do the impoverished. Power is maintained and controlled by selling a sham such as higher minimum wages to solve individual income problems. Doubling or tripling a minimum that doesn’t cover spartan lifestyles only serves to increase individual tax percentages and nothing to improve situations as inflation of prices too rapidly adapts to the new minimum.

It is a lie sold to empower those in control by claiming to eliminate risk and raise all boats but in the end a serf remains a serf toiling for the landed baron of the shire unable to change their position significantly.







 
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