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originally posted by: vonclod
Well, the media would not be effective if not for those that relish the divisive messages, both left wing idiots and right wing idiots eat it up..just idiots period.
originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Gryphon66
It is puzzling , is the media that good at manipulating? or are people being intellectually dishonest simply so they can throw it in others faces..going "murica pew pew pew" as an example..whatever the hell that means
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: Kharron
a reply to: xBWOMPx
I'm not seeing it that way. The article actually left me feeling that, even though they did some terrible things, she turned herself in, spoke only twice in 400 days and did not try to make excuses, said she was sorry and said she felt guilty she did not put a stop to it. What more can you ask for when the deed is already done.
It's too bad Hillary Clinton doesn't have the integrity to "come clean". It could help her be an acceptable Presidential candidate again.
LMFAO, you win comment of the night award, congratulations you 100 points awesomer!🤓
Yeah, nothing like a drive-by Hillary bashing in a thread about how Nazis aren't right-wing, eh?
Blah blah blah, i honestly dont care about feelings cuz thick skin thats why. Idc to argue tonight. I know a lot of you are not going to understand or get it, it'll fly over your heads and thats cool. But carewemust is on the same page, atleast some one does. MURICA PEW PEW PEW 🤓
Feelings? Who is talking about feelings?
Nothing you nor anything anyone else has said "flies over" anyone's heads. You're both hyper-nationalistic, which puts you both on the far right of the political spectrum as such things go.
So keep making those video games sounds, friend. That really identifies your level of thought.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Gryphon66
It is puzzling , is the media that good at manipulating? or are people being intellectually dishonest simply so they can throw it in others faces..going "murica pew pew pew" as an example..whatever the hell that means
My opinion is that some folks really believe it. And I get that ... there's a fair amount of nuance in the distinctions between authoritarians and libertarians ... and revolutionaries.
All government is authoritarian, however, the left believes that authoritarianism fundamentally exists to provide for the rights and well being of individuals, whereas the right believes in government for governments sake, tradition, nationalism, ever increasing militarization, which means supporting the megacorporations, etc. etc.
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: xBWOMPx
You really can't compare the US and Europe on politics. From the US perspective Nazis would be left from a European point of view they are right wing. For Example, Bernie Sanders is considered far left in the US but in Europe, he is a centrist. This was caused by the United States rejecting European values after independence. And the first Americans tended to be people fleeing religious persecution. They tended to be groups like the Amish who believed in gods law. So early on the right was established in the US off strict moral standards based on the bible. You can't really place Nazis into US politics they just dont fit well on either side. just realize Nazis did not like communists and considered them an enemy.
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Gryphon66
It is puzzling , is the media that good at manipulating? or are people being intellectually dishonest simply so they can throw it in others faces..going "murica pew pew pew" as an example..whatever the hell that means
My opinion is that some folks really believe it. And I get that ... there's a fair amount of nuance in the distinctions between authoritarians and libertarians ... and revolutionaries.
All government is authoritarian, however, the left believes that authoritarianism fundamentally exists to provide for the rights and well being of individuals, whereas the right believes in government for governments sake, tradition, nationalism, ever increasing militarization, which means supporting the megacorporations, etc. etc.
You are horribly mistaken but im sure your bubble is strong so stay in your safe place
originally posted by: trollz
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
in reality people who know real history nazis have ALWAYS been a socialist
Nazi is literally short for national socialism.
National Socialist German Workers' Party = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: Kharron
a reply to: xBWOMPx
I'm not seeing it that way. The article actually left me feeling that, even though they did some terrible things, she turned herself in, spoke only twice in 400 days and did not try to make excuses, said she was sorry and said she felt guilty she did not put a stop to it. What more can you ask for when the deed is already done.
It's too bad Hillary Clinton doesn't have the integrity to "come clean". It could help her be an acceptable Presidential candidate again.
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
So, anyway, to me it makes it sound like "See, far right extremist conservatives are nazis" but in reality people who know real history nazis have ALWAYS been a socialist. During WWII nazis were far right back then ONLY because there fellow counter part were communist.
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
So, anyway, to me it makes it sound like "See, far right extremist conservatives are nazis" but in reality people who know real history nazis have ALWAYS been a socialist. During WWII nazis were far right back then ONLY because there fellow counter part were communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
So, anyway, to me it makes it sound like "See, far right extremist conservatives are nazis" but in reality people who know real history nazis have ALWAYS been a socialist. During WWII nazis were far right back then ONLY because there fellow counter part were communist.
Um... Nazis came to power shortly before WWII. How can you say they've always been socialist then excuse them NOT being socialist during the one war that impacted the whole world that featured them? You are being contradictory here.
Though regardless, your argument is wrong. Just having the name "socialist" in your name doesn't make you socialist. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is nether a democracy nor a republic.
It really baffles me why right leaning people are so intent on disavowing the dark side of their ideology.
originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: Gryphon66
Only place I have seen “pure socialism” work was in Star Trek. And even then there was lots of dissension like Kirk’s son on the Genesis Project saying how the military swoops in to weaponize scientific discovery and the Marquee separatists fighting the ideals of the Federation.
Oddly enough the Ferengi were a Capitalistic society that operated on strict controls that somewhat mirror Feudalism then later introduced Progressivism. While a comedic foil and taken to extremes, they mirror the entire 20th Century America pretty much.
The economics of the future is somewhat different. You see, money doesn’t exist in the 24th century. The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity.
Captian Jean-Luc Picard
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
So, anyway, to me it makes it sound like "See, far right extremist conservatives are nazis" but in reality people who know real history nazis have ALWAYS been a socialist. During WWII nazis were far right back then ONLY because there fellow counter part were communist.
No, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what right and left mean.
Nazis were in Germany; Left and Right originated in Europe during the lead up to the French Revolution:
Right believes in supremacy of the state.
Left believes in supremacy of the individual (e: maybe 'the people' would be a better way to think of it).
As for Nazis, do you think the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (also known as North Korea) is a democracy, a republic, or even the people's?
A saying after WW2 was probably something you've heard before:
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
See how that this starts with 'Then' implying something came first? Well, here's the rest:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Kind of funny how we hear the last two bits, but not so much the first two, eh?
originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: Gryphon66
Only place I have seen “pure socialism” work was in Star Trek. And even then there was lots of dissension like Kirk’s son on the Genesis Project saying how the military swoops in to weaponize scientific discovery and the Marquee separatists fighting the ideals of the Federation.
Oddly enough the Ferengi were a Capitalistic society that operated on strict controls that somewhat mirror Feudalism then later introduced Progressivism. While a comedic foil and taken to extremes, they mirror the entire 20th Century America pretty much.