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The real reason why the left has gone insane

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posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Did you miss the part about “grossly generalistic”? You know what that means, right? It means don’t take the word “half” literally.




posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

You know that viability is when a baby can survive outside the woman’s womb, with assistance. Before viability, the fetus cannot survive outside the womb, even with assistance. Before viability, the fetus is irrevocably linked to the woman’s body, and therefore it is her decision what to do with it.
It doesn't matter. Progressives made up that idea to confuse people. That's my point. Viability only means survivability, not aliveness.



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

No, it wasn’t made up to confuse people. It is logic that was used to protect women’s freedom over their own bodies.



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Did you miss the part about “grossly generalistic”? You know what that means, right? It means don’t take the word “half” literally.


No but this is pretty specific...

you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.
time.com... Grossly generalistic is general but half is half and that was the qualifier.
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posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Again, you eliminated the first part of the sentence.



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Again, you eliminated the first part of the sentence.
You eliminated the second half, so what's your point?



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
Couldn't we change the "Abortion" into "Guns" and flip the entire thing from "why the left is insane" to "why the right is insane"?

*for the record, I do not advocate government sanctioned weapon control

for that matter we could say it about anything, both sides don't want individual states to vote on issues because both sides fear their state won't vote how they want, both sides yell for "smaller government" or "government not to interfere" but both sides want/need the Government, Courts etc to make 'federal laws'
I suppose you could do that. But the argument for abortion is not the same as the argument for Second Amendment rights guaranteed by the Constitution. The purpose of gun control is to disarm the populace and make them more subject to a totalitarian state. That is why the Left is so adamant. If not, then Pelosi and all her friends would not have a high security detail for her personal trips to the shopping mall.... the elites want us to do as they say not as they do and they have different rules for themselves than the rest of us. www.sfchronicle.com...

Now then, the real reason for abortion is population control a la Agenda 21, or 2030 whichever one prefers. Even Hillary Clinton loves Margaret Sanger for that reason. And Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is on public record as saying she thought that the purpose of Roe v Wade was to get rid of "undesirables". It isn't hard to get that it wasnt really about women's rights. www.wnd.com...



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posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
"Why the left is the worst thing in the world" thread #5,216. Glad to see we met the daily quota for these threads.




Hey, if the shoe fits?

Right?

Also, you have almost every news channel in the world bashing Trump and the right, we can't have one message board bashing the left?

Again, the tolerant left here ladies and gentleman. All for free speech if it's what they want to say, if it goes against them, then it shouldn't be allowed.

Do you people leaning on the fence really want to be a part of this hateful, shaming, no solution having group? Really think about that, what solutions have they come up with in the last 2 years? I'll give you a hint, none. The only thing in their play book is to call everything Trump does wrong, it's all they have left.



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: TheGOAT

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
"Why the left is the worst thing in the world" thread #5,216. Glad to see we met the daily quota for these threads.




Hey, if the shoe fits?

Right?

Also, you have almost every news channel in the world bashing Trump and the right, we can't have one message board bashing the left?

Again, the tolerant left here ladies and gentleman. All for free speech if it's what they want to say, if it goes against them, then it shouldn't be allowed.

Do you people leaning on the fence really want to be a part of this hateful, shaming, no solution having group? Really think about that, what solutions have they come up with in the last 2 years? I'll give you a hint, none. The only thing in their play book is to call everything Trump does wrong, it's all they have left.
The Progressives embraced eugenics around the time of Hitler. Today they couch their eugenics and population control in the language of climate change so it sounds really moral and altruistic. Same for every other issue they have, there is always a root of control and statism to everything they do, but they use all these platitudes, like oh children are being separated from their parents.... and so on. If only we would just give these children new homes in the US everything would work out..... and give them homes and food and clothing and free health care etc...… this is sheer socialism and votes for their party. Oh the horrible deplorables just hate children.... right?



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: jjsr420
Ugh....so much stupidity to debunk. Let us seeif i have the patience.

"....her body" Mmmmm, no. Thats incorrect. The medical procedure of induced abortion most directly affects the body of the fetus, not the mother. This is not debatable, it is fact. Basic logic here.

"....its murder!" Again, no. Words have meanings folks, and the word Murder means the illegal killing of a Human being. Its killing, yes; Murder, not as of right now. Legality =/= Morality.

"....constitutional right to Abortion" There is nowhere in the document that Abortion is spoken about. The SCOTUS rules on if something is constitutional by its own -interpretation- of the document.

"....Right to Life!" Well, if you read the constitution, you would realize that extends only to naturally born humans, currently.

"....but abortions in back Alleys!" see: Appeal to Emotion logical fallacy.....

"Woman's choice, no uterus, no voice." Pfft. It takes two to make a baby.

"...punishment for sex!" The biological purpose of sex is procreation. Next.

"...but my God says" Nobody cares what your God says.

"...clump of cells" You mean exactly what you are as well? A huge clump of cells?


The VAST majority of induced abortions are nit a medical necessity, and happen as a form of Birth Control. It negates personal responsibility for ones own actions by taking the choice of living from another Human. Unless youre saying Humans have started having non-Humans. Good luck with that if you are. Oh! Here comes another one!

"....but rape! Or incest!" These represent a tiny minority of induced abortion cases, but let us address it anyways: In rape, a violation of consent has occured. In normal pregnancy, not so much. Incest is known to result in deformities, so would be a medical necessity. Also: that you can only use these extreme cases illustrates that you cant debunk the normative cases which vastly outnumber them.

"...dont care for them after birth" By far this is, what i consider the single most stupid argument ever. Conflation. That a individual believes everyone should have a right to life, does not somehow indebt them to said life.
Words do have meaning, for example it's murder to shoot a pregnant woman and killing both her and her unborn baby...… why is it not murder to stick a syringe into an unborn baby's head and use scizzors to do the rest, after the body and arms have been delivered....Mark Levin just described this process for a late term abortion.....



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


It sure looks to me like Trumpites and the right wing forced birthers are far more triggered by your thread than the libtards are!



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Nah the "libtards" are busy protesting the name Brett today




posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy


It sure looks to me like Trumpites and the right wing forced birthers are far more triggered by your thread than the libtards are!






posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Badams
a reply to: dude1

That was a side point to the main argument. That wasn't about abortion specifically, old mate seems to think someone can read a few text books and have the same level of education as a trained doctor. As he's read his wifes nursing text books and done about "100 hours of reasearch" on abortion, therefor his knowledge is on par with a trained professional.

The main point of my argument was, in the majority of the first world where abortions are legal, there is a limit on how far along a pregnancy can go before its aborted. Before that point it's deemed the foetus is not yet cognizant and self supportive and is able to be aborted. That point in the development of the foetus has been determined by doctors and obstetricians who have many, many years of training and study behind them. They do not abort after that timeframe unless there is risk to the health of the mother - steriotypically.

I doubt (unless there is a member who is a obstetrician on here), that anyone has the proper knowledge on this website to debate this time frame that has been established and is used.


that years of study only partially covered abortion procedures among many other things. you cannot claim anothers argument has no merit just because "Degrees" or experience that is not your own, you must present a fact, not an obfuscation. the only laws are based on one simple medical physiological science,et al; when the body is viable outside the mothers womb. up to 24 weeks.

it has nothing to do with life reaserach, consciousness research, sentience theories , or Relativity or anything other than of course the time period its dependent on you for LIFE SUPPORT.
so your whole argument is a derailment of the MORAL issue being discussed making the whole argument you have been having pointless as the issue was not being addressed but "dressed up". you cant just say "great minds all got together, the Wizards of our time, and waved their magic all knowing wands and POOF we had certain laws on abortion" You need to actually give parameters of qualification, and good and well researched reason for the choice in paramaters you made.

Most of anyone who studies knows that colleges and licences is a piece of paper that is worthless to the mind.
when you study in college they make you prepare thesis by doing lots of research into a topic or subject of specific parameter to form their point.

You dont need tons of money to learn anything that is known, you can simply do the same thing yourself.
therefore, him not being a doctor does not disqualify him from the discussion, both of you need to use citations and facts, not vague guesses of the laws or reasons behind said current laws.

of course it would have helped if one of you had noticed that and moved the intelligence of the discussion up a rung or two instead of making me waste my time pointing this out to you. heres the laws in the US.

your welcome. source www.government.nl...

"What is the time limit for having an abortion?
An abortion may only be carried out up to the 24th week of the pregnancy. If you are less than 17 days overdue, the mandatory five-day wait time does not apply.

Legal time limit for abortion
An abortion may be performed up to the time when the foetus is viable outside the mother’s body. Under the Criminal Code, this is 24 weeks. In practice, doctors apply a two-week margin of error, and stick to a time limit of 22 weeks.

Late abortion
After the 24th week, a doctor may only terminate the pregnancy for serious medical reasons, for instance because the foetus is not viable outside the mother’s body. In such cases, the doctor must observe the due care criteria (only in Dutch) for late termination of pregnancy."



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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The "left" tends to see people as basically good and if someone does something bad it is because they haven't been properly educated or given enough opportunities because The Rich White Man is hogging all the resources.

So when the left's rhetoric is rejected by the very people they're trying to "help," they don't know what to do. Maybe they start to think that people really are inherently stupid and bad, just like the conservatives say, and need to be controlled for their own good.

Actually, anybody who associates themselves with a particular political party and slavishly follows their platform is a lazy idiot to begin with. Everyone should evaluate specific social or political issues according to their own beliefs and knowledge and not rely on one source or one party to tell them what to do or how to vote.



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus


More like outright lies. CNN "Fact Checker" just said that all NATO countries up paid up-to-date with their dues.

Traitors to America and Americans. They must be stopped, to save this nation.



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: AutisticEvo

originally posted by: Badams
a reply to: dude1

That was a side point to the main argument. That wasn't about abortion specifically, old mate seems to think someone can read a few text books and have the same level of education as a trained doctor. As he's read his wifes nursing text books and done about "100 hours of reasearch" on abortion, therefor his knowledge is on par with a trained professional.

The main point of my argument was, in the majority of the first world where abortions are legal, there is a limit on how far along a pregnancy can go before its aborted. Before that point it's deemed the foetus is not yet cognizant and self supportive and is able to be aborted. That point in the development of the foetus has been determined by doctors and obstetricians who have many, many years of training and study behind them. They do not abort after that timeframe unless there is risk to the health of the mother - steriotypically.

I doubt (unless there is a member who is a obstetrician on here), that anyone has the proper knowledge on this website to debate this time frame that has been established and is used.


that years of study only partially covered abortion procedures among many other things. you cannot claim anothers argument has no merit just because "Degrees" or experience that is not your own, you must present a fact, not an obfuscation. the only laws are based on one simple medical physiological science,et al; when the body is viable outside the mothers womb. up to 24 weeks.

it has nothing to do with life reaserach, consciousness research, sentience theories , or Relativity or anything other than of course the time period its dependent on you for LIFE SUPPORT.
so your whole argument is a derailment of the MORAL issue being discussed making the whole argument you have been having pointless as the issue was not being addressed but "dressed up". you cant just say "great minds all got together, the Wizards of our time, and waved their magic all knowing wands and POOF we had certain laws on abortion" You need to actually give parameters of qualification, and good and well researched reason for the choice in paramaters you made.

Most of anyone who studies knows that colleges and licences is a piece of paper that is worthless to the mind.
when you study in college they make you prepare thesis by doing lots of research into a topic or subject of specific parameter to form their point.

You dont need tons of money to learn anything that is known, you can simply do the same thing yourself.
therefore, him not being a doctor does not disqualify him from the discussion, both of you need to use citations and facts, not vague guesses of the laws or reasons behind said current laws.

of course it would have helped if one of you had noticed that and moved the intelligence of the discussion up a rung or two instead of making me waste my time pointing this out to you. heres the laws in the US.

your welcome. source www.government.nl...

"What is the time limit for having an abortion?
An abortion may only be carried out up to the 24th week of the pregnancy. If you are less than 17 days overdue, the mandatory five-day wait time does not apply.

Legal time limit for abortion
An abortion may be performed up to the time when the foetus is viable outside the mother’s body. Under the Criminal Code, this is 24 weeks. In practice, doctors apply a two-week margin of error, and stick to a time limit of 22 weeks.

Late abortion
After the 24th week, a doctor may only terminate the pregnancy for serious medical reasons, for instance because the foetus is not viable outside the mother’s body. In such cases, the doctor must observe the due care criteria (only in Dutch) for late termination of pregnancy."
again just because something is law doesn't make it right, only legal. So many Progressives conflate legal with right because they believe the legislation they support has moral high ground. I hear so many of them argue well it's legal. Notice how hard they try to change the laws to whatever they think is moral high ground and then say well it's legal.



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus


More like outright lies. CNN "Fact Checker" just said that all NATO countries up paid up-to-date with their dues.

Traitors to America and Americans. They must be stopped, to save this nation.

Kind of Orwellian. CNN = the Ministry of Truth



posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Boy you walked right into that one! Apparently you don't read much here before posting.

Answer - As I've already stated, it's the mother's choice. Federal government should have no say. State issue of at all.

Ooops!


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posted on Jul, 11 2018 @ 02:43 PM
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I wonder how the nov. elections will turn out with women knowing the party of fat old men still want to control their bodies.




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