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Longtime Democrat NY Assemblyman vows support for GOP until top Dems knock off the insanity

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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

The negative vote is one of the most important parts, it gives an alternate option to people who rightfully fear a candidate besides simply voting for the candidate they fear slightly less but think has the support to actually win, cause there's only one vote and the two parties are too strongly supported.

Even IF they hedge their bets, and vote negative to the opposing party and vote positive for the one they slightly fear less, and the other side does the same, the extra vote means, neither side will win and someone neither side is completely terrified of yet still want to some degree will win.

The more votes both positive and negative, as long as positive has slightly more than negative, the more negative candidates get wiped off the ballot and the more positively supported the winner.

That said, needs to be reasonable, too many candidates can be overwhelming as well.




posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: face23785

Are you speaking of all Democrats or all party leaders?



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: Necrobile

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: DBCowboy

Clearly I'm no republican and shared a ton of views with the left, probably more than the right, but since the election I've been forced damn near right wing until sanity is restored to the other side of the isle there are no options there.

Probably the one issue I strongly agree with the right on is immigration.


I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. For many years of my younger life, I never really claimed a political affiliation, but I always did lean towards the left. I never liked any republican president, let alone what they did while in office. That all changed when Obama became president.

Now, even though I still don't claim a political affiliation, I'm leaning a lot towards the right. I don't really like Trump, but I also don't hate him. Oddly enough, I'm impressed with him currently. I feel he's doing a better job than I actually expected him to do. He's taking on a lot of hate as well, and I give him props for that.

What gets me is that I never thought I would EVER lean towards the right, especially being a minority. Maybe it was all the self-righteous upper middle class punk rock kids I knew growing up, or the fact that my family(like many minority families) always tried to convince me that everything bad happening is because I'm brown(I never believed that, but with how often it's spouted it does become part of the thought process). My point being that I never thought I would feel the way I do, yet here I am, wanting to stand between the hateful assholes attacking people for their political beliefs, wanting to defend the old people being assaulted because of a flag, wanting to take the MAGA hat out of that guys hand and give it back to those teens. I'm getting sick of this.

I will not support a political affiliation that is ok with taking away peoples freedoms. I will not support a side that is becoming as violent as they are. I will not support a side that's going bat# insane like they are currently. I've even stopped logging into Facebook, because it saddens me to see many of the people I knew growing up sounding as crazy as the loons on the left.

I guess that's the funny thing about life, though. Everything I never thought would happen, ended up happening. Ranging from as simple as "I'll never stop listening to heavy metal!!!" to "I'll never agree with republicans". lol


This should be its own thread.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Is why my option is better, as it'll simply make negative campaign advertising a great way to not get elected. No free speech restrictions needed.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: face23785

Are you speaking of all Democrats or all party leaders?



The party leadership seems mostly in complete denial. Some rank and file are too, for example I've been seeing a lot of people on social media pretending the #walkaway movement is fake, Russian bots and trolls. They're in for a big shock come November.

Of course it's not all Democrats or even the entire party leadership. Some are sane enough to see the disastrous path they're on.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

I've voted against people in the last six Presidential Elections, not for someone.

I like the negative vote idea.

I've long supported the idea of a Constitutional Amendment to give Americans the national rights of Referendum, Recall and Initiative.

Recall would be a decent place to start.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: face23785

Agree on 99.9%.

I woudn't be too sure about November though.

Americans don't like one-party rule for more than a few election cycles; I'd look for the House or Senate to flip by a small majority.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I think that's the boat most people are in. Is why I'm trying to work out a solution to precisely that problem.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: face23785

Agree on 99.9%.

I woudn't be too sure about November though.

Americans don't like one-party rule for more than a few election cycles; I'd look for the House or Senate to flip by a small majority.


Just to clarify, I don't think it's gonna be a Republican landslide. I think Dems will pick up House seats, but not as many as they think, and the Senate will probably not change much. That's just a drastic difference from what the hardcore leftists are expecting. They think the only reason they lost 2016 was because of Russians, and this time they're going to win back everything and impeach Trump. That's not gonna happen. They're gonna #ing lose it.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Puppylove

I've voted against people in the last six Presidential Elections, not for someone.

I like the negative vote idea.

I've long supported the idea of a Constitutional Amendment to give Americans the national rights of Referendum, Recall and Initiative.

Recall would be a decent place to start.


Why do you think I vote Republican? It isn't because I want too, but by God I surely won't vote for a Democrat! Look at em. Democratic Socialists, Political Correctness, anti 1st, anti 2nd, want to do away with ICE, claim to hate the MAN while supporting Globalism? Jesus Christ, the only reason I vote is to prevent another one of these nut jobs from getting elected.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: face23785

If the economy stays in growth and jobs continue to be available, we might even see a delay in the change-of-the-guard.

No, there is no "blue wave" coming.

... and more than anything, I wish we could see that the people we send do not reprsent us.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: seeker1963

I hear you, understand and agree with you for the most part.

The problem is that the Republicans you vote for to keep the Dems out are also on the payroll of the same folks pushing hard socialism, identity politics, etc.

The just sing off the other page of the hymnal, IMO.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah is why I voted third party, but it was really pointless no matter how much I support not voting R and D.

Fear has too much hold, and with only one vote those gripped by fear can and will only vote for the R or D candidate they fear less.
edit on 7/7/2018 by Puppylove because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah is why I voted third party, but it was really pointless no matter how much I support not voting R and D.

Fear has too much hold, and with only one vote those gripped by fear can and will only vote for the R or D candidate they fear less.


Absolutely.

I'm learning that ANYTHING that primarily produces anxiety, fear or anger is my enemy, along with anyone or anything whose primary intention is to control others rather than living and letting live.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah is why I voted third party, but it was really pointless no matter how much I support not voting R and D.

Fear has too much hold, and with only one vote those gripped by fear can and will only vote for the R or D candidate they fear less.


This is why I was so disappointed Sanders sold out and ran as a Dem and wound up supporting Hillary. He had a more legitimate chance to make a big splash as a 3rd-party candidate than anyone we've seen in a long time. I wouldn't vote for him, and I don't think he would have won, but he could've knocked the door down to show people that 3rd party candidates are a viable option. It could've been the start towards something better than the lousy two-party system we have now.

But, instead he sold out. Boo.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: face23785

Yeah, it was one hell of a lost opportunity. Is why even if the Dems tried to use him to beat Trump next election it wouldn't work anymore anyway. He's a sell out and everyone who supported him knows it now.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: seeker1963

I hear you, understand and agree with you for the most part.

The problem is that the Republicans you vote for to keep the Dems out are also on the payroll of the same folks pushing hard socialism, identity politics, etc.

The just sing off the other page of the hymnal, IMO.


Can't argue with that. Lesser of two evils. However it used to be when saying that, we spoke of just elected officials. Not so much anymore when you see those who have been conditioned to commit violence and or silencing those with whom they disagree with....



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Nice find.

Now maybe the two parties can become, in reality, what they always have been, The Corporate Party. There is very little separating the two beyond the rhetoric. One has just hidden the corporate agenda, the other is more open about it.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: face23785

Yeah, it was one hell of a lost opportunity. Is why even if the Dems tried to use him to beat Trump next election it wouldn't work anymore anyway. He's a sell out and everyone who supported him knows it now.


Truth. I know a few disappointed Bernie fans who support Trump now.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

Yeah... part of me, the more paranoid conspiratorial part is worried that this whole election and everything involving it, including the current insanity of the left and the media's spin is actually designed to create a single party super majority in all branches of government. At which point they can say, screw us and pass whatever they want while the super majority is in play and we can do nothing to stop it.







 
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