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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: imitator
a reply to: Woodcarver

Just curious, have you tested anyone that claims to have special abilities?
If so, could you link me to your test research.

I have tested plenty of people. But I have never found anything worth publishing. Nobody has ever presented an actual ability that was worth writing about.


You, of course, would not question your methodology or testing methods, now would you?
I always do. What I am suggesting, is that we all put our heads together to determine the proper methods to test some of the claims that have been brought up. If you are truly interested in this subject then you should be open to being involved in the process.


How can we be involved in measuring something of which we know not of its composition? You are the scientist, I toss the ball in your court. What testing exists to determine of what the spirit may be composed or that it exists at all?
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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
Do you have any abilities that I can test?


Not that I know of, but I be willing to find out for $10,000!



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: imitator

originally posted by: Woodcarver
Do you have any abilities that I can test?


Not that I know of, but I be willing to find out for $10,000!


But make sure it's at a destination of your choice.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

"Can you present some proof that humans have and utilize pheromones?"

Can you present proof that we don't do the same as the other mammals do? That we do not utilize smell or emit pheromones as a means of unseen communication or interaction?

Nope!

Can you do anything other than poke holes in other peoples ideas and theories?

Not expecting anything as complex as an original thought from you, just participation without condemnation.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: xBWOMPx

"Everything that exists is special in the grand scheme of things"

And yet given the infinite nature of our universe and the reality we assume we experience said "grand scheme of things" will always be beyond our ability to comprehend.

"there is not such things as an accident."

So you subscribe to the notion of predestination?

Let's just say our notion of what constitutes free will is illusory at best and a complete fallacy at worst.

Don't know where i stand on the subject as one notion seems to be diametrically opposed to the other.

Obviously, we lack perspective and the bigger picture to attempt to fathom such ideologies to date.



We have free will, dont get me wrong, we have infinite paths to go down but it is our choice to the life we live. Look, I do have my opinion and faith in these things,I wont try nor can I prove to you about anything. I know everyone wants the ultimate answer but we will never get it until we die. It is up to each and every individual to find the answer they seek and sometimes it's so small and simple and right in front of them this whole time a lot will never see it.
You certainly have a lot of answers. Although I’m certain they just come out of your imagination. Do you have anything more than anecdotes?


If you have a problem with peoples answers on here then dont ask a question you already know an answer to. Surely you can find a scientific community with known scientist who have been scientifically studying this phenomenon for quite some time. Im sure they can provide the answers you are seeking. But dont come to an open forum seeking questions from random people you dont know who have only personal experiences you bash on and deny as an answer. That doesn't seem to bright of someone who claims to be very particular of his/her studies and having high standards.
I am here because this is where I find people who claim to have abilities. Do you have abilities?


You keep asking the same question and your getting the same results, why do you keep asking? That's like cutting yourself with a knife and wondering why you are bleeding and you keep cutting your self over and over and over again in hopes one will not make you bleed instead of just stopping. Is this how you do your studies?



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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Strings, very small strings that are steady in space but vibrate on earth, maybe like elastic bands, everywhere, billions and trillions or even more connecting everything together
Oh wait, that's scientific string theory

Buggered if I know



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: Moongirl
Would anyone know what are spirits made out of?


A lot of my answer will depend on your definition of Spirit(s).

When you speak of spirits do you mean ghosts/apparitions that sort of thing?

Or the human, having a physical, soul and spirit?

If the first, then I would guess that it is material particles arranged by forces known and unknown, by a consciousness, individual or collective that arranges the available material in the atmosphere in such a way as to be perceptible to human senses.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

My understanding, which granted is limited to what i read on the subject, seems to suggest that there are 11 dimensions to spacetime, superstrings being a requirement for there existence.

Bosonic string theory suggests there may even be 26 dimensions!

Think it was the original version of string theory. Now that really does boggle the mind. LoL



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: imitator
a reply to: Woodcarver

Just curious, have you tested anyone that claims to have special abilities?
If so, could you link me to your test research.

I have tested plenty of people. But I have never found anything worth publishing. Nobody has ever presented an actual ability that was worth writing about.


You, of course, would not question your methodology or testing methods, now would you?
I always do. What I am suggesting, is that we all put our heads together to determine the proper methods to test some of the claims that have been brought up. If you are truly interested in this subject then you should be open to being involved in the process.


How can we be involved in measuring something of which we know not of its composition? You are the scientist, I toss the ball in your court. What testing exists to determine of what the spirit may be composed or that it exists at all?
I would need to know what abilities you claim to have before I can come up with a proper method of testing.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: imitator

originally posted by: Woodcarver
Do you have any abilities that I can test?


Not that I know of, but I be willing to find out for $10,000!
Now there’s the spirit I’m looking for.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver

"Can you present some proof that humans have and utilize pheromones?"

Can you present proof that we don't do the same as the other mammals do? That we do not utilize smell or emit pheromones as a means of unseen communication or interaction?

Nope!

Can you do anything other than poke holes in other peoples ideas and theories?

Not expecting anything as complex as an original thought from you, just participation without condemnation.
Are you asking me to prove a negative? This is far too common a fallacy for you to have never heard of it before.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver

"Can you present some proof that humans have and utilize pheromones?"

Can you present proof that we don't do the same as the other mammals do? That we do not utilize smell or emit pheromones as a means of unseen communication or interaction?

Nope!

Can you do anything other than poke holes in other peoples ideas and theories?

Not expecting anything as complex as an original thought from you, just participation without condemnation.
Sometimes poking holes in other’s theories is all we can do. In fact most scientific experimentation is based on trying to poke holes in other’s theories. I thought you were an electrical engineer. Or do you just repair computers in the back of the shop?
edit on 7-7-2018 by Woodcarver because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: xBWOMPx

"Everything that exists is special in the grand scheme of things"

And yet given the infinite nature of our universe and the reality we assume we experience said "grand scheme of things" will always be beyond our ability to comprehend.

"there is not such things as an accident."

So you subscribe to the notion of predestination?

Let's just say our notion of what constitutes free will is illusory at best and a complete fallacy at worst.

Don't know where i stand on the subject as one notion seems to be diametrically opposed to the other.

Obviously, we lack perspective and the bigger picture to attempt to fathom such ideologies to date.



We have free will, dont get me wrong, we have infinite paths to go down but it is our choice to the life we live. Look, I do have my opinion and faith in these things,I wont try nor can I prove to you about anything. I know everyone wants the ultimate answer but we will never get it until we die. It is up to each and every individual to find the answer they seek and sometimes it's so small and simple and right in front of them this whole time a lot will never see it.
You certainly have a lot of answers. Although I’m certain they just come out of your imagination. Do you have anything more than anecdotes?


If you have a problem with peoples answers on here then dont ask a question you already know an answer to. Surely you can find a scientific community with known scientist who have been scientifically studying this phenomenon for quite some time. Im sure they can provide the answers you are seeking. But dont come to an open forum seeking questions from random people you dont know who have only personal experiences you bash on and deny as an answer. That doesn't seem to bright of someone who claims to be very particular of his/her studies and having high standards.
I am here because this is where I find people who claim to have abilities. Do you have abilities?


You keep asking the same question and your getting the same results, why do you keep asking? That's like cutting yourself with a knife and wondering why you are bleeding and you keep cutting your self over and over and over again in hopes one will not make you bleed instead of just stopping. Is this how you do your studies?
Why do I keep asking questions? Curiosity i guess. It’s what scientists do.

Why aren’t you answering my questions? Why don’t you present your abilities for testing?



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

"Are you asking me to prove a negative?"

Philosophically, In law, or from a statistical sense?

Because the concept of a null hypothesis is used differently.

There you go attempting to introduce derogatory interjections into what should be a meaningful debate.

Have you ever been tested? As it may be an idea considering the narcissism you have displayed in spades in this thread alone. x



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

I do indeed repair computers, amongst other things, in a similar environment.

Do you have a problem with that?

You do realize that people are not just what they do?

I mean you burn things and seem to think you understand the universe, very privately i assume. LoL

"Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it’s a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe."

Bet you love a good adventure story???


Edit: Give you a little hint it's not about burning things, it's about making them spin faster and taking them apart, it's not about the fire, its all about the glue. x
edit on 7-7-2018 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: xBWOMPx

"Everything that exists is special in the grand scheme of things"

And yet given the infinite nature of our universe and the reality we assume we experience said "grand scheme of things" will always be beyond our ability to comprehend.

"there is not such things as an accident."

So you subscribe to the notion of predestination?

Let's just say our notion of what constitutes free will is illusory at best and a complete fallacy at worst.

Don't know where i stand on the subject as one notion seems to be diametrically opposed to the other.

Obviously, we lack perspective and the bigger picture to attempt to fathom such ideologies to date.



We have free will, dont get me wrong, we have infinite paths to go down but it is our choice to the life we live. Look, I do have my opinion and faith in these things,I wont try nor can I prove to you about anything. I know everyone wants the ultimate answer but we will never get it until we die. It is up to each and every individual to find the answer they seek and sometimes it's so small and simple and right in front of them this whole time a lot will never see it.
You certainly have a lot of answers. Although I’m certain they just come out of your imagination. Do you have anything more than anecdotes?


If you have a problem with peoples answers on here then dont ask a question you already know an answer to. Surely you can find a scientific community with known scientist who have been scientifically studying this phenomenon for quite some time. Im sure they can provide the answers you are seeking. But dont come to an open forum seeking questions from random people you dont know who have only personal experiences you bash on and deny as an answer. That doesn't seem to bright of someone who claims to be very particular of his/her studies and having high standards.
I am here because this is where I find people who claim to have abilities. Do you have abilities?


You keep asking the same question and your getting the same results, why do you keep asking? That's like cutting yourself with a knife and wondering why you are bleeding and you keep cutting your self over and over and over again in hopes one will not make you bleed instead of just stopping. Is this how you do your studies?
Why do I keep asking questions? Curiosity i guess. It’s what scientists do.

Why aren’t you answering my questions? Why don’t you present your abilities for testing?


Now your selectively reading. You keep asking the "SAME" (sorry, apparently I have to BOLD it for you so you catch that) question. You want answers with proof I cant give you. Your just going to have to suck it up and wait until you die since you want to use instruments to find your answers instead of your mind body and spirit. It's up to each individual to find their path and answers. But im done with you and your constant bashing, you cant even prove your a scientist with legitimate studies and you probably dont even have $100 to spare little alone $10,000. You just keep coming back with your bashing and "i'll pay $10,000" crap. Put your money where your mouth is and prove your here for that reason and the requirements you seek from individuals and stop wasting my time and your time.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver

"Are you asking me to prove a negative?"

Philosophically, In law, or from a statistical sense?

Because the concept of a null hypothesis is used differently.

There you go attempting to introduce derogatory interjections into what should be a meaningful debate.

Have you ever been tested? As it may be an idea considering the narcissism you have displayed in spades in this thread alone. x
You say you were an electrical engineer but you don’t know how to use the quote function on these boards?


Philosophically, In law, or from a statistical sense?
I don’t know, you’re the one asking me to prove a negative? It’s your question.

Pointing out that you should know better than to ask me to prove a negative is not a derogatory remark. It is pointing out that your grasp of logic should be much higher if you are actually an electrical engineer.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver

"Are you asking me to prove a negative?"

Philosophically, In law, or from a statistical sense?

Because the concept of a null hypothesis is used differently.

There you go attempting to introduce derogatory interjections into what should be a meaningful debate.

Have you ever been tested? As it may be an idea considering the narcissism you have displayed in spades in this thread alone. x
You say you were an electrical engineer but you don’t know how to use the quote function on these boards?


Philosophically, In law, or from a statistical sense?
I don’t know, you’re the one asking me to prove a negative? It’s your question.

Pointing out that you should know better than to ask me to prove a negative is not a derogatory remark. It is pointing out that your grasp of logic should be much higher if you are actually an electrical engineer.


Apparently you've never studied the ability of human errors and typos... Human errors are strong, I guess you missed that through not paying attention in life.
edit on 7-7-2018 by xBWOMPx because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: xBWOMPx

"Everything that exists is special in the grand scheme of things"

And yet given the infinite nature of our universe and the reality we assume we experience said "grand scheme of things" will always be beyond our ability to comprehend.

"there is not such things as an accident."

So you subscribe to the notion of predestination?

Let's just say our notion of what constitutes free will is illusory at best and a complete fallacy at worst.

Don't know where i stand on the subject as one notion seems to be diametrically opposed to the other.

Obviously, we lack perspective and the bigger picture to attempt to fathom such ideologies to date.



We have free will, dont get me wrong, we have infinite paths to go down but it is our choice to the life we live. Look, I do have my opinion and faith in these things,I wont try nor can I prove to you about anything. I know everyone wants the ultimate answer but we will never get it until we die. It is up to each and every individual to find the answer they seek and sometimes it's so small and simple and right in front of them this whole time a lot will never see it.
You certainly have a lot of answers. Although I’m certain they just come out of your imagination. Do you have anything more than anecdotes?


If you have a problem with peoples answers on here then dont ask a question you already know an answer to. Surely you can find a scientific community with known scientist who have been scientifically studying this phenomenon for quite some time. Im sure they can provide the answers you are seeking. But dont come to an open forum seeking questions from random people you dont know who have only personal experiences you bash on and deny as an answer. That doesn't seem to bright of someone who claims to be very particular of his/her studies and having high standards.
I am here because this is where I find people who claim to have abilities. Do you have abilities?


You keep asking the same question and your getting the same results, why do you keep asking? That's like cutting yourself with a knife and wondering why you are bleeding and you keep cutting your self over and over and over again in hopes one will not make you bleed instead of just stopping. Is this how you do your studies?
Why do I keep asking questions? Curiosity i guess. It’s what scientists do.

Why aren’t you answering my questions? Why don’t you present your abilities for testing?


Now your selectively reading. You keep asking the "SAME" (sorry, apparently I have to BOLD it for you so you catch that) question. You want answers with proof I cant give you. Your just going to have to suck it up and wait until you die since you want to use instruments to find your answers instead of your mind body and spirit. It's up to each individual to find their path and answers. But im done with you and your constant bashing, you cant even prove your a scientist with legitimate studies and you probably dont even have $100 to spare little alone $10,000. You just keep coming back with your bashing and "i'll pay $10,000" crap. Put your money where your mouth is and prove your here for that reason and the requirements you seek from individuals and stop wasting my time and your time.
answers without proof are not answers at all, they are anecdotes. The world is full of them I’m not interested in them. I want testable abilities. If someone presents and ability that I can test and they can perform as they claim, I will gladly give them a $10,000 check, and introduce them to people who can present them with more opportunities to Better themselves and come to a better understanding of their abilities. I have been on here for 10 years offering this reward. And not one single person from these threads has ever stepped up to the plate. I am not interested in stories and anecdotes or you’re clever comment. I am looking for people with abilities.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Woodcarver

"Are you asking me to prove a negative?"

Philosophically, In law, or from a statistical sense?

Because the concept of a null hypothesis is used differently.

There you go attempting to introduce derogatory interjections into what should be a meaningful debate.

Have you ever been tested? As it may be an idea considering the narcissism you have displayed in spades in this thread alone. x
You say you were an electrical engineer but you don’t know how to use the quote function on these boards?


Philosophically, In law, or from a statistical sense?
I don’t know, you’re the one asking me to prove a negative? It’s your question.

Pointing out that you should know better than to ask me to prove a negative is not a derogatory remark. It is pointing out that your grasp of logic should be much higher if you are actually an electrical engineer.


Apparently you've never studied the ability of human errors and typos... Human errors are strong, I guess you missed that through not paying attention in life.
I make typos all the time I’m not worried about it. Most of them are due to me using a voice to text function on my phone.
edit on 7-7-2018 by Woodcarver because: (no reason given)




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