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Why do Democrats oppose immigration control?

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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: 1337Kph

That wasn't illegal immigration. It was illegal emigration since American settlers were pushing US borders past declared borders of the government and into Native territory. But the Natives never considered themselves to be owning land so they didn't have any immigration policies that could be violated to be considered illegal immigration.




posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
So you believe you speak for the democratic party?

My, my. Aren't you full of yourself.

Ew, no. What I am doing though is conveying their message as it is, which can be heard anytime a liberal talks about borders.

Liberals want open borders and don't mind wave after wave of illegals that some of them are criminal thugs, gang members and women/child traffickers, all so there won't be another Republican president again.

Don't get upset at me for mirroring your fellow liberals' message. I find it absurd too.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: 1337Kph

That wasn't illegal immigration. It was illegal emigration since American settlers were pushing US borders past declared borders of the government and into Native territory. But the Natives never considered themselves to be owning land so they didn't have any immigration policies that could be violated to be considered illegal immigration.

Ah so because they had no immigration laws that cant be compared? Lol.
Call it unwanted immigration then.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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The dems have reverted top their old plantation ways in that they give you room and board for work and the only thing you have to do is keep electing them. I see it as reparations from the slave owners.




posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

It's not about immigration.

It's not about the children.


Politicians don't give a single damn about illegals and their kids.


It's all about power and riling up people so that they will continue to vote for these worthless politicians into office thus giving them more control and power as we continue to lose freedoms and liberties while we're fighting each other.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: 1337Kph

Nah, you're still doing it. Do you always make yourself a so-called 'authority' on subjects you obviously know little about?
Right. We want to fill the country up with criminals, thugs, gangs and child traffickers.

Try to understand the world around you and in the meantime, only speak for yourself please, because you seem to have hopped on the propagandized crazy train.

Good Day, and Ew.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You wouldn't have as easy a time if you are a "typical white male." Your white privilege wouldn't get you in the door at any activist group that defends the poor, downtrodden immigrants who only want to come and live in this country and work hard. Those immigrants only come from certain countries and have certain skin colors because they are obviously being victimized by the white power patriarchal oppressive system in place in the US.

So if you have anything in common with the that system, you are SOL and will be deported ASAP.

Blinking heck, that seems a mad concept to me, almost like reverse racism. I could see me being deported as soon as I got caught though, it's not like I could say I'm fleeing oppression in Britain.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: 1337Kph

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: 1337Kph

That wasn't illegal immigration. It was illegal emigration since American settlers were pushing US borders past declared borders of the government and into Native territory. But the Natives never considered themselves to be owning land so they didn't have any immigration policies that could be violated to be considered illegal immigration.

Ah so because they had no immigration laws that cant be compared? Lol.
Call it unwanted immigration then.

Correct. If it isn't illegal to immigrate then it isn't illegal immigration. That's how definitions work, guy. The illegal part was emigrating outside of US borders.

Your point is bad regardless though. The settlers would eventually have the support of the US government on their side with things like the Trail of Tears. Illegals from south of our border aren't being supported by their home country's military to stay here.
edit on 6-7-2018 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: 1337Kph

Nah, you're still doing it. Do you always make yourself a so-called 'authority' on subjects you obviously know little about?
Right. We want to fill the country up with criminals, thugs, gangs and child traffickers.

Try to understand the world around you and in the meantime, only speak for yourself please, because you seem to have hopped on the propagandized crazy train.

Good Day, and Ew.



It's a pity you're getting upset at people who show you your party and voters' own twisted morales, only to get Trump out of office and make sure it doesn't happen again.

Instead of getting pissed at me you could try and see how your own party is demented but you're simply closing your eyes shut and blaming anyone who calls it out.

Quite laughable actually.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
I'm from the UK and here it is pretty strict. If you enter illegally or overstay your visa you get detained and processed. If you came from a safe nation before entering Britain then you get kicked back there and denied any claim for asylum. If that can't be proved then the asylum claim will continue, but fail and you get kicked out.

I'm not aware of any substantial campaigns to change the system we have, and I don't know anyone who disagrees with it, even my left leaning socialist friends. We can't have a free for all or we'd be over run. There are thousands camped in Calais (France) right now refusing to register there because they'd lose the right to claim asylum if they then make it into Britain.

The UK/France/Belgium border is also 'juxtaposed' meaning UK border force are actually on the continental side keeping people out. The French hate it, they'd just let them on the trains and ferry's, they don't want them either.



"Democrats, why don't you want controls on the number of people who enter your country?
Seems nuts to me.

Thanks in advance for any replies, this is a questioning thread so I haven't got much more comment to add other than above.


why would you question that, when you know the your actual question is false in the first place?....


I didn't know, I've just genuinely come into this from stuff I read on ATS, so asked the question.
I've learned lots, and your socio-political situation with illegal immigrants is much more complicated than the UK's. It's been an interesting read so far



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Correct. If it isn't illegal to immigrate then it isn't illegal immigration. That's how definitions work, guy.


Lucky we're not debating definitions then 'cause I know how bad you'd love to move the goalposts there, guy.

How did the unwanted immigration of Europeans ended up for the native americans then? I'm betting they love the divesrity, and I'm betting even more that you'd love the same fate happening to the US.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
I didn't know, I've just genuinely come into this from stuff I read on ATS, so asked the question.
I've learned lots, and your socio-political situation with illegal immigrants is much more complicated than the UK's. It's been an interesting read so far

It sure is. That is why liberals tend to get bitter and resentful when others start speaking for them on their wishes and desires regarding immigration. Conservative media likes to distill liberal ideology down to negative soundbites, but as you are discovering, those soundbites are flawed and wrong.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

It's not about immigration.

It's not about the children.


Politicians don't give a single damn about illegals and their kids.


It's all about power and riling up people so that they will continue to vote for these worthless politicians into office thus giving them more control and power as we continue to lose freedoms and liberties while we're fighting each other.


Good points

The US seems divided big time in online discussions, it's quite sad to read even as an outsider from Britlandia.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

as Best I can see, it's because Trump is FOR border enforcement.


That's it in a nutshell...You didn't hear a peep from the peeps when Obama and Clinton(s) supported border control...Get rid of Trump at any cost is their mantra...



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: 1337Kph

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Correct. If it isn't illegal to immigrate then it isn't illegal immigration. That's how definitions work, guy.


Lucky we're not debating definitions then 'cause I know how bad you'd love to move the goalposts there, guy.

Says the guy trying to call immigration that wasn't illegal, illegal immigration.


How did the unwanted immigration of Europeans ended up for the native americans then? I'm betting they love the divesrity, and I'm betting even more that you'd love the same fate happening to the US.

Why don't you study history and find out? There is a very nuanced and storied reason for all of this that isn't going to be covered in this discussion. Your point was just wrong and you need to go educate yourself on immigration history of this continent a bit better. I'm not your teacher and frankly I don't think you care about my opinion in the first place, so I'm not going to attempt to correct you. Though I do enjoy pointing out how you are wrong.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
but as you are discovering, those soundbites are flawed and wrong.

If anything, this thread specifically only reinforces the notion that liberals want open borders, they just like to say they don't, right before they say we shouldn't be turning people away at the borders.

Liberal logic (or the lack of it) 101.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: 1337Kph

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: 1337Kph

Nah, you're still doing it. Do you always make yourself a so-called 'authority' on subjects you obviously know little about?
Right. We want to fill the country up with criminals, thugs, gangs and child traffickers.

Try to understand the world around you and in the meantime, only speak for yourself please, because you seem to have hopped on the propagandized crazy train.

Good Day, and Ew.



It's a pity you're getting upset at people who show you your party and voters' own twisted morales, only to get Trump out of office and make sure it doesn't happen again.

Instead of getting pissed at me you could try and see how your own party is demented but you're simply closing your eyes shut and blaming anyone who calls it out.

Quite laughable actually.


Ooops you did it again! lol. In no way am I pissed with you or upset with you.

Simply put, I think you've drunk too much of the Kool-Aid.

See? If you ask me and others what we think, we'll tell you. You don't have to presume to talk for us or speak for us, or think for us. (Besides, you're not very good at it.)



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: 1337Kph

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
but as you are discovering, those soundbites are flawed and wrong.

If anything, this thread specifically only reinforces the notion that liberals want open borders, they just like to say they don't, right before they say we shouldn't be turning people away at the borders.

Liberal logic (or the lack of it) 101.

Actually it more enforces the idea that conservatives such as yourself only care about your own opinions and propaganda about liberals and have no intention of updating your thinking if shown to be wrong. Your post here is literally you saying, "I know that liberals are telling me that my preconceived notions are wrong, but I'm choosing to believe my preconceived notions anyways and will use this stubbornness as evidence that I'm right."



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Says the guy trying to call immigration that wasn't illegal, illegal immigration.

Didn't I say you could feel free to change my words to unwanted immigration instead? But it's ok I udnerstand how hard you wanna score some points lol.



Why don't you study history and find out?

I'm not your teacher and frankly I don't think you care about my opinion in the first place, so I'm not going to attempt to correct you.

HAHAHA by all means I will read every word of yours twice if you begin to try and educate me on how the European invasion to America was good for the natives.

They did end up more technologically advanced, that's for sure.
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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 01:55 PM
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Mainstream Democrats do not support open borders. It is the far-left "progressive" (read: socialists/borderline commies) who are pushing that nonsense. Only problem is that the socialists are violent and very vindictive toward any Democrat not meeting their "purity" standards.

Mainstream Democrats/moderates/true lovers of liberty must regain control of their party before November. Never before has a major political party allowed itself to be taken over by an ultra-minority who are solely focused on pushing a historically unpopular agenda (wedge issues only, for them!) and instituting an unlawful form of government.

Part of their outrage about losing the SCOTUS is their inability to pass (self described) "progressive" legislation that would limit our free speech rights (in the name of anti-hate speech laws), our god-given rights to self defense and RKBA (in the name of anti-gun 'safety' laws) and to (against in their own words) legally pursue Republicans/libertarians and those who support President Trump's agenda

Without a compliant Supreme Court, the bulk majority of their impact will be mitigated before it even begins. It is President Trump that is safeguarding our Constitution and our individual liberty.



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