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Why do Democrats oppose immigration control?

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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 02:01 AM
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Dems only oppose immigration control in election years
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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 02:03 AM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Haha sorry mate, I only noticed the quote from me, I see the TrueBrit reply now, he's a proper communist lefty lol, ignore my previous replies to you!



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 03:54 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You protested? Bully for you.

Did it make a difference? Did the behaviour you were protesting stop?

Nope. But you think YOUR campaigning means that you do not have to take responsibility? What kind of madness is that? When you fail to make a difference to a behaviour on the part of government that drives migration, that does not absolve you of responsibility in the least, and its absolute nonsense to suggest for a moment that it does. SUCCESSFULLY protesting these things, such that the drivers of migration are reduced because the bombing stops, the economic warfare stops, the training of terror groups by our intelligence agencies stops, THAT is ONE step along the path to freeing this country from the burdens being placed upon it.

But unless the protest is successful and causes a ceasing in those regards, it means two parts of bugger all and you know it.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

All good




posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 06:24 AM
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originally posted by: Elostone
Dems only oppose immigration control in election years
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Lie. Republicans only favor talking about immigration reform, yet never do anything about it when they control the legislature. Why? The agricultural and hospitality industries rely on cheap "illegal" labor. "Illegals" are afraid to report abuse by employers. Republicans would never betray their true base-- big corporations-- by making wage slavery illegal.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 06:30 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: M5xaz
So again, call me stupid but is it really true that illegal immigrants get the right to vote in the US???
Seems nuts to me, they don't get that right in the UK, heck the only rights they get here are detainment centres, healthcare, and 3 meals a day while being processed.


As has been pointed out by others, some states issue a drivers license to illegals which they can use to vote. But its actually worse than that. In the last election there were taco trucks in the streets in the southwest, I personally saw them in Austin, Tx, where they were registering illegals to vote and showing them how to do it with nothing more than a photocopy of a utility bill. A real original utility bill would be rejected, but a photocopy was acceptable.

Dems don't call illegal aliens "illegal aliens". They call them undocumented workers and claim they "reside" here which means they should have a say in government. Its complete bs but that is democrat logic and the only reason for it is because the illegals vote democrat. If there were millions of people swarming in to this country to vote republican you can bet your ass the dems would build a wall and fast.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel


As has been pointed out by others, some states issue a drivers license to illegals which they can use to vote.


Can you provide a documented example? Some states do not check citizenship when issuing driver's licenses because of public safety issues.


But its actually worse than that. In the last election there were taco trucks in the streets in the southwest, I personally saw them in Austin, Tx, where they were registering illegals to vote and showing them how to do it with nothing more than a photocopy of a utility bill. A real original utility bill would be rejected, but a photocopy was acceptable.


Taco trucks? Not the DMV or City Hall? And did you have your telephone bill rejected when you tried to register?


Dems don't call illegal aliens "illegal aliens". They call them undocumented workers and claim they "reside" here which means they should have a say in government.


No, Democrats recognize that people use city services no matter what their immigration status is. That is why they want them counted in the census, so that those services can be budgeted and funded accordingly. You need to stop believing what others say people you disagree with believe and start reading what they actually say themselves.
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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: rollanotherone

Yes..

Have the democrats gone all in against the war on drugs??


Absolutely not..

The gop pretends anyone who speaks out is weak on crime.. and it works o. The population.. especially rural regions with uneducated voters..

There is a reason all the scientists, college professors and intellectuals are liberals.. because conservative propaganda is all logical fallacies a child should see through..

There is only one political side who started and championed The war on drugs continuously.. the conservatives


If the gop didn’t rabidly support the war on drugs it doesn’t still exist..


I blame the people who started the problem and have continuously championed it lol..



It’s not my opinion..

That is history..

Every truely devestating policy in modern history has been a conservative policy..


War on terror..

Trickle down economics...

War on drugs...

Patriot act..

Citizens united.

Right to work States..

Net neutrality (fair enough not a disaster yet, but wait)..


Civil forfeiture..

Mandatory minimum sentences..



I guess you smoke so much you can’t be bothered to actually know what the politics behind all of those things are.. lol


Nor appearently do you know the definition of left and right...


Left= change > tradition

Right = traditions > change




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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Nope. Again, you fail. I do not smoke nor drink anymore. I'm raising children and do not find the time to induldge.
Secondly, since we're going to make stuff up and call it fact, I'll play with you.
Everything you listed was voted by both parties. The uniparty I call it. And the uniparty votes together on policy.
I'll concede the point that conservatives are no longer voting on their principle ideals and the party was taken over by the evangelicals. But the Democrats were taken over by the cultural marxists. Either way you vote, it's voting to erode our civil liberties. But to put the blame solely on Repubs is a losing argument. Obama had a majority going into 2008/9 and squandered the opportunity to fix a majority of the wrongs. He promised to shut down gitmo once he was elected. He promised to end the Iraq war. He made lots of promises that were never followed through. Stop playing the "Evil GOP is the devil" game and start seeing it as two sides of the same coin.
And you're not going to address your hyperbolic statement of police state fear mongering? Seriously? So heightned security due to recent attacks is an equivalent to living in a police state? When the authorities start rounding up CNN anchors and political disidents, then we can have that discussion.
And I find it curious how you know for an absolute fact that all intellectuals are liberals. Could also possibly tell me next week's lottery numbers? You seems to have some telepathic abilities. It couldn't possibly be that some intellectuals keep their politics to themselves due to the rabid attacks on anyone who speaks out against the liberal policies? I wonder how you explain Dr Jordan Peterson. If I'm not mistaen, he is both an intellectual AND a professor.
Again Josh, stop with the bias. Both sides are effed and it's best to take both sides with a grain of sand. And thank you for this mildly civil discussion. I find it hard to have a discussion like this on ATS. I appreciate your input even if I'm taking jabs at you. I mean you no ill will.
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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 09:16 AM
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US. Democrats are trying to build their voting block/base. Illegal, criminal "migrants" start collecting "social services" the minute they are caught.
Most of these "immigrants" come from already socialist countries. So very little indoctrination is required.
There's a much deeper agenda than helping poor migrants. That agenda is to destroy our constitutional republic and create a "democracy", which in turn opens the door for communist control.
Sad thing is the libs don't even know they're communist. At least they haven't openly admitted it, YET.
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posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 09:30 AM
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Given that the factors which drive people to the borders of the US, are the produce and sole issue of the United States constant proxy warring against the states to its south, using cartels and mercenaries to achieve what their own official agents cannot get away with, I find your assertions utterly ridiculous, loaded with the most unbelievable double standards, and totally without merit or value.

If the CIA were not the major beneficiary of the cartels and their operation, you might have half a leg to stand on.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit
I agree we have gov entities running their own sideshows and creating chaos. No doubt. But for what reason? Maybe for what we're seeing?
But to fall for the it and allow it? Is just ignorant.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Elostone
Dems only oppose immigration control in election years
2nd line


Lie. Republicans only favor talking about immigration reform, yet never do anything about it when they control the legislature. Why? The agricultural and hospitality industries rely on cheap "illegal" labor. "Illegals" are afraid to report abuse by employers. Republicans would never betray their true base-- big corporations-- by making wage slavery illegal.


Its fairly telling when your rebuttal is to point out faults with the republicans rather than democrat examples of being tough on illegal immigration.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy




So Democrats, why don't you want controls on the number of people who enter your country? Seems nuts to me.


And you think those "clothed border" types don't seem to be off their rockers in their own way?

How are we going to keep our social systems running without immigration? Any ideas? You're going to make an impact on the birth rate yourself maybe? 23 kids or something like that would be nice, just fcking go for it!



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You protested? Bully for you.

Did it make a difference? Did the behaviour you were protesting stop?

Nope. But you think YOUR campaigning means that you do not have to take responsibility? What kind of madness is that? When you fail to make a difference to a behaviour on the part of government that drives migration, that does not absolve you of responsibility in the least, and its absolute nonsense to suggest for a moment that it does. SUCCESSFULLY protesting these things, such that the drivers of migration are reduced because the bombing stops, the economic warfare stops, the training of terror groups by our intelligence agencies stops, THAT is ONE step along the path to freeing this country from the burdens being placed upon it.

But unless the protest is successful and causes a ceasing in those regards, it means two parts of bugger all and you know it.

Nope, I'll take some responsibility for family and friends in my life tribe, I'll take some responsibility for what happens in my local community as well, but taking responsibility for government actions and a government I didn't vote for, no I won't.
Your argument is ridiculous. I've already said I protested and have been kettled in London, I am also like a dog with a bone at my member of Parliament. I take no responsibility for any of the wars which have resulted in refugees.
I'll also say again that if you think all those thousands camped in France trying to get into the UK and refusing to claim asylum in France are all from countries Britain has bombed then you are deluded.

You may wish to accept communal guilt but no way in the world will I accept any guilt, I've done everything I can and I had # all to do with bombing other nations.
Go bleat to your communist leader Jeremy Corbyn, he may have time to listen to your whining.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

I didn't say anything about closing the borders, that is equally ridiculous of course. I'm on about controlling the immigration, as I posted in my reply which you partially quoted.
Britain is the same as the US, we need immigration for people to do the crappy jobs Britons refuse to do. We have Eastern Europeans for that who come here legally, it's why Britain is strict kicking out illegal immigrants who have no valid claim to asylum.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 06:05 PM
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You have me rolling on the floor laughing. Please don’t stop. Please. 😂a reply to: TrueBrit



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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Such a good question that has become distorted beyond reason. In 1983 I had taken a course in speech and choose illegal immigration for my subject. At that time my whole class was for the idea of defending our borders. The black folks in my class were then, all for stopping illegal immigration, at least in our class. Fake news can really twist peoples heads and cause senseless havoc!
Living in Southern Cal. I have seen my state over ran with Latinos who chose not to comply with immigration laws only because our politicians decided to ignore this problem , why? My research concluded the reason for such neglect and cowardice stemming from both Democrats and Republicans were they both found no political capital could be gained on the issue. Today we have a President who chooses to be brave, taking on areas which past Presidents only hid from or ignored. Once I voted left, today I follow my heart regardless of any party label.



posted on Jul, 7 2018 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

The OP asked why Dems oppose immigration control.
Not anything about Republicans.
Your response is only about Republicans, not a word about Dems.
Try to stay on topic.



posted on Jul, 8 2018 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

The left is using mass immigration as a voting block to usurp power from the American people. Why do you think that during the Obama administration they were strategically placing sanctuary cities to take over the electoral college? Everyone knows what's going on here.



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