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Why do Democrats oppose immigration control?

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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 05:32 AM
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I'm from the UK and here it is pretty strict. If you enter illegally or overstay your visa you get detained and processed. If you came from a safe nation before entering Britain then you get kicked back there and denied any claim for asylum. If that can't be proved then the asylum claim will continue, but fail and you get kicked out.

I'm not aware of any substantial campaigns to change the system we have, and I don't know anyone who disagrees with it, even my left leaning socialist friends. We can't have a free for all or we'd be over run. There are thousands camped in Calais (France) right now refusing to register there because they'd lose the right to claim asylum if they then make it into Britain.

The UK/France/Belgium border is also 'juxtaposed' meaning UK border force are actually on the continental side keeping people out. The French hate it, they'd just let them on the trains and ferry's, they don't want them either.

So Democrats, why don't you want controls on the number of people who enter your country?
Seems nuts to me.

Thanks in advance for any replies, this is a questioning thread so I haven't got much more comment to add other than above.



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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 05:37 AM
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Easy answer is...

The liberal masses have been brainwashed to think open borders is some kind of humanitarian thing.

Their masters have brainwashed them because immigrants from the south are typically also brainwashed into thinking they must vote Democrat. Legal immigration is not bringing in new blood fast enough for the Dems to take over government, so they are trying to speed up the process. Dems are attempting to be sure that they never, ever lose another election.

Meanwhile, the rest of the country are remaining sensible and shaking our heads at the sheer stupidity.


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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 05:37 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

as Best I can see, it's because Trump is FOR border enforcement.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Well CornishCeltGuy, there has been a great deal of query over the legitimacy of the current system, especially since the Windrush scandal, of people who have lived here and contributed to our nation and their communities for decades upon decades, including nurses and the like, being ejected from the country on totally spurious grounds. There have also been examples of people who came here to fill specific roles, like doctors, engineers, and so on, who have married since arriving, had kids and so on, and find themselves being asked to leave all of a sudden.

Its actually a pretty big deal right now, and your friends might not be all that left leaning, if they are not aware of these matters, and protesting them socially and by way of at least a letter to their MP, if not actual demonstration and public protest.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 05:48 AM
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a reply to: BlueAjah
Do illegal immigrants get the right to vote then? They don't in Britain, even legal EU nationals here didn't get the vote on our referendum to leave the EU, they'd have all voted remain lol

a reply to: network dude
Lol, d'ya reckon if Trump supported immigration the Dem's would change their tune?
Oh, and on that note, I am massively opposed to the ridiculous protests during Trump's visit to the UK. I am an activist through and through but find nothing to protest about him. It's shameful, leader of our closest ally should be welcomed.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 05:50 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit
Windrush is a scandal of course, people who've served in our armed forces not getting right to remain etc.
I'm talking about current illegal immigration, windrush is a sidetrack.


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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 05:53 AM
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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 05:56 AM
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a reply to: M5xaz
So again, call me stupid but is it really true that illegal immigrants get the right to vote in the US???
Seems nuts to me, they don't get that right in the UK, heck the only rights they get here are detainment centres, healthcare, and 3 meals a day while being processed.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:00 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Well, it is and it isn't.

The Windrush scandal is not actually an isolated event, and balls ups (or more likely, deliberate attempts to remove perfectly proper people from the country, despite their having every reason to be here), such as happened with Windrush are not uncommon. However, they are normally more sporadic, not centred around one particular group of people, from one particular influx of individuals. People have the wrong details acted upon by government agencies on a pretty frequent basis, just like they do when it comes to benefits sanctions and the like. Consider, if a terminally ill person on an out of work benefit can be seen as fit for work, despite the facts being otherwise, then its hardly a stretch to consider that the powers that be can routinely foul up immigration matters as well, and they do.

Its also important to realise the following. Our nation is responsible for electing the people who run our country. We ARE, whether we want to admit it or not to ourselves, collectively responsible for the acts of our government, against both our own citizens, and indeed against the citizens of the world. We have failed over the years to correct the behaviour of our government, and flex the muscle that the people must hold in a PROPERLY democratic nation, and the responsibility for that lies directly at our feet as a people, and as individuals. We have, selfishly, wilfully in many cases, refused to even slightly inconvenience ourselves to stop wars for oil, to stop our government funding terrorists, to stop our government using our economic might to devastate foreign economies.

The mess we permit our government to make through our apathy, forces people out of their homes and cities, out of their countries and regions, and the vast, overwhelming majority of people arriving here from abroad, are coming here rather than going somewhere else, because we are literally the only place where they will be safe from the things that threaten them. We must either force our government to comply with the morality of the majority, and cease involving itself in terrorism, war, and economic sabotage, or accept that with our apathy, comes a price we have no moral right to avoid paying.

That price, is people on our doorsteps, that have been forced from where they were by fighting, famine, or persecution that we have funded and facilitated.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Some areas of the country give illegals a drivers license and its considered an unnecessary hardship to mandate proof of citizenship, so quite often the only id you have to produce is a drivers license to show you have an address.


Messed up thing in my opinion, my vote while on active duty was tossed if I was voting from outside the country because of the lack of stamp verifying the time date and location you sent it from.


So in theory an illegal with a drivers license can vote in the election.

Edit to add: Forgot to mention the hardship is directed at the poor, saying it would cost to much to have a state of federal ID that proved citizenship.

edit on 6-7-2018 by Irishhaf because: (no reason given)


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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:03 AM
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Queens sake, please try to stay on topic, hes asking why people in the US are so against vetting those comming across the border, and its a darn good question.

Unless they HATE, trying to stop sex trafficers.
Unless they HATE trying to stop drug dealers
Unless they HATE trying to stop criminals.

Then they shouldnt hate people being vetted at the border, its already a statistic that over 80 percent of the children coming across arent with their actual parents. But maybe for them it isnt about whats really right or wrong.
Maybe its really NOT for the children. Maybe its all about optics.
After all Obama had far more in holding than we do now, and not a PEEP

all your placation means absolutely nothing, so you can get down off your soap box.

Hell in your country they are trying to ban MEMES, lol give it a rest with the holier than tho

P.s. Want to borrow my butter knife for your biscuit or, is that trafficking?
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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:06 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Dude, Windrush is off-topic and a sidetrack to this thread. If you wanna moan about that then start your own thread.
This one is about 'illegal immigration' and specifically asking why Democrats are against controls on illegal immigration.
Windrush is about legal immigration, and while I agree with you completely, it is off-topic so give it a rest eh.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:09 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I’m not a Democrat, but the idea the majority wants to eliminate immigration control is a lie of the right b

They want to create the false narrative that Dems want an “open border,” which is not true. Isolated individuals may want that, but the Dem majority want a secure border, just as cruelty free as possible.

You have to understand also, that the private prison business has thrown considerable money at the Republicans, and Trump himself, and these for-profit companies get paid by the government based on occupancy. This alliance coupled with Trump wanting to appear “tough” on immigration, has led to the horrible separation of children from parents at the border.

The parents detention is money in the bank for the above prisons, but they don’t take children. Other organizations who do take children are being paid by our taxes to look after these traumatized kids.

The left thinks that kind of “tough” is amoral and unnecessarily cruel. ICE is not complying with returning kids to parents despite a judge’s order.

It’s a mess. So anyway, the premise of the OP is based on a successful lie of the right, not the truth. “Open borders”
and “no border control” is not a goal of Dems.



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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

Wow, so I could enter the US on an ESTA visa waiver, overstay, find a state which will give me a driver licence, then vote at your next election? That's messed up man!



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:14 AM
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a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

Well, I mention what I did, because he was talking about his left leaning friends not talking about matters of a similar nature here in Britain. I merely pointed out that the situation is exactly the same, in that we are talking about a population which refuses to take responsibility for decades of abuse of the rest of the world, by its successions of elected representatives, abuse which has been known about for ages and ages, and no one seems to want to publicly admit or take responsibility for.

In America, the situation is even simpler. America has been and still is, deliberately damaging the economies of nations in South America, as well as involved in narco terrorism, which destabilises governments, and the US intelligence agencies have a history of assassinating South American leaders and activists with whom they have disagreements in the region, by way of both deploying members of their intelligence agencies to perform hits, and/or employing their proxy agents in the form of cartel members.

Its America's fault people have to leave South America to be safe from threat, so America needs to change its policy on all aspects of dealing with South America, and also place quite a few of its own officials under arrest for their actions south of the border, before anybody has any business shouting about how unfair immigration is.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:14 AM
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Yup welcome to the US of A come on in and vote to change things...


Its not as bad or rampant (yet) as some make it out to be, but the potential for major problems is certainly there.


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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:16 AM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Irishhaf

Wow, so I could enter the US on an ESTA visa waiver, overstay, find a state which will give me a driver licence, then vote at your next election? That's messed up man!


Sneak in and stay in a sanctuary city. Then steal an American citizens social security number and you're good. Just ask the democrats.
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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

But there is no ACTUAL difference between the immigration we get, and the immigration the states gets.

Both nations are responsible for the fact that people are showing up at our borders, seeking solace. We never take any damned responsibility for our apathy, either nation, and that we should be willing to front up to, admit, and take responsibility for, by housing those who come from abroad, while their own nations are still smoking ruins, or economic dead zones as a result of our broken, controlling and evil foreign policies.

Its our fault, so we should be picking up the tab and letting people in.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

Ooh that's an interesting slant, thanks for the reply

As I said, this is a questioning thread as I'm not a US citizen so it is good to read the opinions of you guys while comparing how strict Britain is with illegal immigrants.
On that note, I've known a few over the years but grassing fellow humans to the police for doing a crappy job like car washing for less than minimum wage is not my style. Good luck to them I say, if they can 'beat the man', but I won't cry any tears if 'the man' catches them. Cat and mouse game here, but kicked out they will be if authorities catch them.
The NHS even demands proof of residency to get free treatment now.



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

But there is no ACTUAL difference between the immigration we get, and the immigration the states gets.

Both nations are responsible for the fact that people are showing up at our borders, seeking solace. We never take any damned responsibility for our apathy, either nation, and that we should be willing to front up to, admit, and take responsibility for, by housing those who come from abroad, while their own nations are still smoking ruins, or economic dead zones as a result of our broken, controlling and evil foreign policies.

Its our fault, so we should be picking up the tab and letting people in.

So let everyone in then? Go and whine to your communist leader Jeremy Corbyn mate, I'm happy with current UK immigration policy.
Most people's second language is English, we'd be swamped with people.



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