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Yes. While not impeding enforcement of the crimes which HSI is dutied with enforcing. You know, like trafficking. If the difference were more clear, the enforcement of very serious crimes (like trafficking), instead of misdemeanors, could well be better carried out. Witnesses might not be fearful of coming forward. Protestors might not protest.
Its called "Illegal" Immigration, but many feel it shouldn't be an enforced law. So, they would still do this.
The issue is that these poor excuses for intelligent life-forms that were protesting
apparently have no idea who is responsible for what when it comes to immigration matters.
have no concept of law enforcement operations.
have nowhere else to be or anything else to do.
are mentally incapable of comprehending the problem they are protesting.
Why don't you include the word ILLEGAL LAW BREAKERS in that statement?
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny
Why don't you include the word ILLEGAL LAW BREAKERS in that statement?
That's redundant.
Or are there legal law breakers?
Whereas the people "on the other side" are all mostly well informed and highly intelligent?
Hell, the GOP has a tweet up that says, "Democrats’ calls to abolish ICE would mean abolishing America’s borders—"
Well gee, setting aside the asinine hyperbole, that's a tremendously misleading statement considering that border patrol isn't ICE's gig. So you tell me — are they stupid or lying?
And yes, there's a lot of confusion about the precise separation of concerns. That's because there's overlap, there's been a lot of restructuring in the last decade and some processes involve multiple agencies and different folks are ultimately subject to different processes.
The single thing that ICE does more than anything else is removal and when Trump determined to grow the size of ICE by 50%, 8,500 of 10,000 new positions were to be ERO (some of those have since been budgeted). Which is in part why 19 SACs, including those heading up offices in 9 of the 10 largest (and 16 of 20) metropolitan areas in the US, want HSI spun off from ICE.
I'll note that ultimately though, the parents end up in the custody of ICE pending other immigration proceedings (like seeking asylum) and removal. And so it's ICE that's primarily responsible for reunification (working with HHS), for detained parents communicating with their children, for fielding reunification related inquiries, etc.
So it's not like ICE is uninvolved.
why are these protestors protesting them for separating families (which is done by CBP)?
As I understand it; CBP apprehends, ERO handles it after that. Sending the children hither and thither.
But it is a mixed up, muddled up, messed up mess. No doubt.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: TheRedneck
The issue is that these poor excuses for intelligent life-forms that were protesting
apparently have no idea who is responsible for what when it comes to immigration matters.
have no concept of law enforcement operations.
have nowhere else to be or anything else to do.
are mentally incapable of comprehending the problem they are protesting.
Whereas the people "on the other side" are all mostly well informed and highly intelligent? Let's get real here. 95% of people who are politically engaged at any level in this country, including some who are super passionate about their opinions, aren't fit to participate in anything but the most superficial debate. It doesn't seem to be a great impediment to even getting elected President though.
Hell, the GOP has a tweet up that says, "Democrats’ calls to abolish ICE would mean abolishing America’s borders—"
Well gee, setting aside the asinine hyperbole, that's a tremendously misleading statement considering that border patrol isn't ICE's gig. So you tell me — are they stupid or lying?
And yes, there's a lot of confusion about the precise separation of concerns. That's because there's overlap, there's been a lot of restructuring in the last decade and some processes involve multiple agencies and different folks are ultimately subject to different processes.
People know that ICE does interior enforcement. They know it's ICE that crazed Trump supporters threaten to call when they hear a coffee shop barista talking to a customer in Spanish. They know that it's ICE that GOP legislators have threatened to call on immigration protesters. They know that it's ICE that conducts workplace raids. They know that it's ICE that Trump wants to beef up into a mass deportation force ripping families from their beds in the middle of the night and taking them off to detention facilities where they will in fact be separated.
The single thing that ICE does more than anything else is removal and when Trump determined to grow the size of ICE by 50%, 8,500 of 10,000 new positions were to be ERO (some of those have since been budgeted). Which is in part why 19 SACs, including those heading up offices in 9 of the 10 largest (and 16 of 20) metropolitan areas in the US, want HSI spun off from ICE.
But yes, when it comes to the current controversy over family separations (at the border), people should be aware that it's the CBP that refers parents to the DOJ for illegal entry prosecution, that it's ORR (HHS) that gets the kids and that CBP detains the parents until after their hearings, at which point they go to ICE.
I'll note that ultimately though, the parents end up in the custody of ICE pending other immigration proceedings (like seeking asylum) and removal. And so it's ICE that's primarily responsible for reunification (working with HHS), for detained parents communicating with their children, for fielding reunification related inquiries, etc.
So it's not like ICE is uninvolved.