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Amesbury: Two collapse near Russian spy poisoning site

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posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 09:24 AM
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I was reading an article on Zero Hedge about this incident. Someone in the comments offered a theory I think we need to consider: what if these two were the people who poisoned the Skirpals a few months ago, and they got the poison on themselves while disposing of the evidence, or possibly while preparing for another attack? If they really are a couple of druggies/drunks as reported, then they're the sort of disposable goons that would be sent on such a mission.

Of course, that would lead away from Russia, so nobody is even going to consider this idea.




posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Preparing for another attack makes no sense with the supposed story, unless Salisbury is full of ex Russian spy's.

Getting rid of the evidence I could entertain, but if they were good enough to complete the hit, without getting any on themselves, held on to it for this long without exposing themselves I would be surprised if they managed to expose themselves as soon as they tried to get rid of it.

Stranger things have happened though!



posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

If the original poisoning was a false flag, then someone like this pair would be who they'd send to carry it out. In the real world, they don't send James Bond or Jason Bourne to assassinate someone. They send some doofus they don't care about, and who they can plausibly deny any connection to.



posted on Jul, 9 2018 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan


I disagree with the idea that these two would be used for anything much.
The man is a junkie from what I have read and the woman (RIP) was an alcoholic.
Both notoriously unreliable sections of society.

I think the idea that they came across the discarded container to be the most plausible.



posted on Jul, 14 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: CthulhuMythos

originally posted by: tommyjo

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos

originally posted by: tommyjo
Sky News are reporting that friends of the couple claimed that the critically ill pair found something in the Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury. The gardens are just a few streets away from the area where the Skripals were found on the bench.

Map link to Queen Elizabeth Gardens, Salisbury

Apparently the couple had a picnic in the Queen Elizabeth Gardens down by the river.

Guardian news article


So again eating or being by the river. Doesn't that river feed down from the bio lab? Could it be possible that it is toxic Cyanobacteria from algae blooms, maybe inadvertently weaponised algae blooms from lab run off, got on their hands and then contaminated them when they ate their picnic?


Or they simply found the dispenser/canister discarded in the gardens. It was assessed that the Novichok was dispensed in a gel to target the Skripals. Either the Skripal gel dispenser or another gel dispenser disposed of.

Wasn't it reported that the Novichok-like nerve agent from the Skripal case was in powder form? Wasn't it also established they got it from their door handle?
Again this whole thing feels off.


Reported as in a gel form.



posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: tommyjo

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos

originally posted by: tommyjo

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos

originally posted by: tommyjo
Sky News are reporting that friends of the couple claimed that the critically ill pair found something in the Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury. The gardens are just a few streets away from the area where the Skripals were found on the bench.

Map link to Queen Elizabeth Gardens, Salisbury

Apparently the couple had a picnic in the Queen Elizabeth Gardens down by the river.

Guardian news article


So again eating or being by the river. Doesn't that river feed down from the bio lab? Could it be possible that it is toxic Cyanobacteria from algae blooms, maybe inadvertently weaponised algae blooms from lab run off, got on their hands and then contaminated them when they ate their picnic?


Or they simply found the dispenser/canister discarded in the gardens. It was assessed that the Novichok was dispensed in a gel to target the Skripals. Either the Skripal gel dispenser or another gel dispenser disposed of.

Wasn't it reported that the Novichok-like nerve agent from the Skripal case was in powder form? Wasn't it also established they got it from their door handle?
Again this whole thing feels off.


Reported as in a gel form.


I remember it was initially reported as a powder, then a liquid, then it eventually was changed to a gel on the door handle.
Science Direct



Forms Novichok agents may be dispersed as an ultra-fine powder as opposed to a gas or a vapour.


BBC UK

OPWC Director General Ahmet Uzumcu:



Mr Uzumcu also said the nerve agent was in liquid form and could have been applied with an aerosol spray or, "if you take the necessary measures, you could use it as a liquid". "One thing, perhaps, which is important to note is that the nerve agent seems to be very persistent," he added. "It's not affected by weather conditions. That explains, actually, that they were able to identify it after a considerable time lapse. We understand it was also of high purity."

What are Novichok agents? The name Novichok means "newcomer" in Russian, and applies to a group of nerve agents developed by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s. Novichok's existence was revealed by chemist Dr Vil Mirzayanov in the 1990s, via Russian media. He says the nerve agents were designed to escape detection by international inspectors. Novichok agents are liquids, although others are thought to exist in solid form and could be dispersed as an ultra-fine powder.


No gel mentioned from the Director General of the OPCW. Also noted he said it is not affected by the weather conditions (e.g. rain, of which there was a lot) yet the government has been, and still is, saying it breaks down in water and that just washing your clothes or wiping things down with baby wipes is effective for clean up!

Daily Echo



What could the item be? Speculation over what the item is has ranged from a tainted cigarette butt to a discarded container like a phial or syringe used to transport the nerve agent for the attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal. What do experts suspect? After some four months passing between the incidents some experts believe it would be unlikely the poison would have remained so potent if it has been left exposed to the elements. One expert told the BBC it was more likely the poison had stayed protected in a closed space. However other experts say the nerve agent was designed to be persistent and not break down. How did the victims become contaminated? Nerve agents, including Novichok, can be inhaled as a fine powder, absorbed through the skin or ingested.


The above article mentions it could possibly be from a tainted cigarette butt. This is not even logical, because it if had been, where is the dead person who lit the cigarette in the first place?

Science. How Stuff Works




Novichok compounds are also designed to defeat protective gear. The compounds are thought to take the form of a very fine powder, though much of the specifics of the poison remains secret. The Skripals, reports say, were infected with Novichok spread on a door knob. "These toxicants, they interfere or inhibit or stop the body from breaking down one of the essential neurotransmitters, acetylcholine," says Ziad Kazzi, an emergency physician and toxicologist, and associate professor of emergency medicine at Emory University in Atlanta. "The thing about Novichok is it's very potent, so a very small amount can cause this toxidrome and cause death." When inhaled or absorbed through the skin, these agents affect muscles and nerves throughout the body, and vastly over-stimulate glands. "People die for a few reasons," Kazzi says. "They die because they can't breathe ... or because they have so many secretions in their lungs ... that they can't oxygenate or ventilate." From the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons: Muscular paralysis caused by nerve agents also affects the respiratory muscles. Nerve agents also affect the respiratory centre of the central nervous system. The combination of these two effects is the direct cause of death. Consequently, death caused by nerve agents is a kind of death by suffocation. Symptoms, which can appear as quickly as 30 seconds,


Still no mention of a gel here. So where did the gel idea come from? If it only takes a tiny amount (50 - 100 micrograms) and can act as quickly as 30 seconds, how is it possible for the Skripals to get the gel from their door handle, go for lunch etc for several hours before the nerve agent kicks in?

I still say something is totally wrong with this picture and we are being lied to, most likely to blame Russia in the political game of chess that is being played and ramp up the fear on UK soil.




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