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Is Due Process all that important

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posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

Clarify? You mean officers take keys before someone leaves the bar persay?




posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




But you have to have committed a crime in order to be arrested.


LOL,,, Yeah right. Like resisting arrest? One only need to be accused of a crime to be arrested.

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posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 09:57 AM
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In that other thread they want to take your speech.

In this thread they want your guns.

WHAT's NEXT ?



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: JinMI


This law doesn't required officer's involvement. A neighbor or family member, co-worker. Pretty much the same as someone taking a drunk's car keys.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Heheh...yea. I can see that going over real well.

Of course they don't want LEO's to do it!



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha


Is there room for abuse? Sure.


isn't that the entire point of this thread?



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: intrepid

Clarify? You mean officers take keys before someone leaves the bar persay?


Nope. Bartenders. Friends at parties and so forth.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

On one hand, it could save lives. On the other hand it's against the Constitution.

So which is more important to America? I'm betting it's not saving lives.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

So we can agree then that it's not a direct comparison?



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
In that other thread they want to take your speech.

In this thread they want your guns.

WHAT's NEXT ?



As opposed to doing nothing and hope you win the "I hope I don't get shot" lottery? They don't want to take YOUR guns. They are looking at taking guns away from people that could be a threat to society.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: intrepid

So we can agree then that it's not a direct comparison?


It's an exact comparison.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: network dude


There's room for abuse in the restraining order process. People can gang up and lie about a person's charactor, and a judge might have no choice but to acquisce. Cops lie on the witness stand all the time.

This law is nothing more than an extended restraining order that targets guns when people close claim the accused makes them fear for their life or the life of others.

I recently read abou a woman who was seeking a restraining order on her ex, and asked the judge to take his weapons too. TWICE, she went before a judge and twice he denied her. Now, she, her new husband, their roommate and the ex are all dead. The ex shot them and himself. Thanks your honor!



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posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: kelbtalfenek

How?

Unqualified medical 'experts' willfully violating several amendments that ALL deal with due process.

2nd-10th, and the 14th.

That Governor signed an unconstitutional law.


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posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: intrepid

So we can agree then that it's not a direct comparison?


It's an exact comparison.

Only if you leave out the law enforcement and judicial aspect. That part the subject matter is based on.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

I don't run around hoping I don't get shot.

First reason murder was made illegal.

Second reason gun control was created way back when.

Fourth reason in the 90s the background check was created.

Last reason is I am so effing loveable.

No one wants to.
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posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:11 AM
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Unqualified medical 'experts' willfully violating several amendments that ALL deal with due process.


Stand Your Ground laws protect a person's unqualified opinion that they were in genuine fear for their life, or the life of others when they shot. Shouldn't the benefit of the doubt go both ways when the fear is credible.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
This law is nothing more than an extended restraining order that targets guns...


And therein lies the opposition. Someone says "Guns" and the shields automatically go up. Defense is mounted. Even if it's a decent idea, which this may be, you'll still hear the cry to leave guns alone. They want a solution to the problem as long as any action that affects guns alone. That's not realistic.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
Last reason is I am so effing loveable.


I can't argue with that.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Apples to oranges comparison.

Stand your ground was created to protect those from OUTSIDE the home threats.

The Bill in the op is a THREAT to civil liberty inside the home.


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posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy


Red flag laws, like the other states have in place, required judicial consent, so Due Process remains in place. So, if the Massachusetts law requires judicial consent, then Due Process is not suspended, and your article and your thread title are misleading.





A Right becoming a privilege is just more shredding of our Constitution........Happy 4th of July !!




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