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Thanking the founding fathers for helping us create a socialist police state

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posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Yes this is the general idea under attack. Madmac made a good point of it.




posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:21 AM
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Not sure if you meant to type “deceleration of Independence” in your OP, but it’s a great pun either way.

As the left continues its’ march toward socialism (as confirmed on video by Tom Petez, leader of the DNC), our independence as private citizens of the US is certainly decelerating.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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“Without big banks, socialism would be impossible.” – Vladimir Lenin



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:51 AM
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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." – -Jefferson 1802



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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Politicians have been accusing Democrats of being socialists since the New Deal, LOL.

Democrats and Republicans are wholly-owned CORPORATISTS.

Anything else is mere distraction.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." – -Jefferson 1802




The first part of the quotation ("If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered") has not been found anywhere in Thomas Jefferson's writings, to Albert Gallatin or otherwise. It is identified in Respectfully Quoted as spurious, and the editor further points out that the words "inflation" and "deflation" are not documented until after Jefferson's lifetime.2


monticello.org



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

who said anything about democrats and republicans?

take your bs elsewhere



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Gryphon66

who said anything about democrats and republicans?

take your bs elsewhere


Nah.

I'm good here thanks.

OP is attempting ironic commentary about socialism and the American Founding fathers.

My statement is very clearly directed toward the discussion of socialism in America.

Let me know if I can break down anything else into managable pieces for you.




posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: toysforadults
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." – -Jefferson 1802




The first part of the quotation ("If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered") has not been found anywhere in Thomas Jefferson's writings, to Albert Gallatin or otherwise. It is identified in Respectfully Quoted as spurious, and the editor further points out that the words "inflation" and "deflation" are not documented until after Jefferson's lifetime.2


monticello.org


interesting however from the same source




"And I sincerely believe with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; & that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale"


this seems to be true



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

partisan hack we get it



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Gryphon66

partisan hack we get it


Who, you and the mouse in your pocket?

What possible reason are you making such a ridiculous attempt to call me out on this? The OP wants to talk about "socialism" in America. You do know who FDR was right? And the New Deal?

Talk to me and stop sniping. What's your position on ... well, anything germaine to the topic?



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 11:16 AM
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www.history.com...




Jackson also objected to the bank’s unusual political and economic power and to the lack of congressional oversight over its business dealings.




Jackson, known as obstinate and brutish but a man of the common people, called for an investigation into the bank’s policies and political agenda as soon as he settled in to the White House in March 1829. To Jackson, the bank symbolized how a privileged class of businessmen oppressed the will of the common people of America. He made clear that he planned to challenge the constitutionality of the bank, much to the horror of its supporters. In response, the director of the bank, Nicholas Biddle, flexed his own political power, turning to members of Congress, including the powerful Kentucky Senator Henry Clay and leading businessmen sympathetic to the bank, to fight Jackson.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

If it wasn't Jefferson than some other well educated person said it. The who said it is far less imprtant than the truth of the statement.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Gryphon66

If it wasn't Jefferson than some other well educated person said it. The who said it is far less imprtant than the truth of the statement.


LOL yeah those pesky facts eh?

Take a second and read the link before reacting.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults

National banks allow for direct control by a relative few of a nation's econony.

Lenin was aware of this fact.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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It's pretty simple. in 1913 we lost our independence to the bankers.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 11:36 AM
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As bad as so many say America is, it is still the best place on earth. You all won the lottery for just being a citizen here.



posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
As bad as so many say America is, it is still the best place on earth. You all won the lottery for just being a citizen here.


^^^^
THIS



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 02:55 AM
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OP is attempting ironic commentary about socialism and the American Founding fathers.


I have to hand it to him. I think, from a literary standpoint, it was well written.

However, I have NO COMMENT about the politics.

I just want to give credit where credit is due.

-dex



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 08:13 AM
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It was an interesting idea to get their point across, I'll admit. For me, it didn't work.

The American system is based on republicanism, which, we might remember, was a radical leftist philosophy at the time, born out of the revolutions of Cromwell and 1688 then combined with continental Enlightenment values.

The only time the Nazis were "leftist" were in the month or so it took them to co-opt the German Workers Party.


edit on 5-7-2018 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



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