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Trump Ready To SCRAP Obama's Affirmative Action Guidelines

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posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

So I'll take that as a no, you have nothing to add to the actual subject of the thread.........




posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: smkymcnugget420
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

as opposed to how the left reacts...

ERHMAHGERDDDD SO RACIST SO EVIL, HE'S DESTROYING ERMEREKA SOMEONE IMPEEECH HIM GRAHHHGGGH


Racism card is as retarded as globalist card.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

So I'll take that as a no, you have nothing to add to the actual subject of the thread.........


I addressed a point that was mentioned in a post.
Thats more on topic than both of your posts.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

That's the thing though. Base level is not an equal playing field. That's the whole point behind affirmative action.

Certain demographics are still vastly underrepresented in higher education primarily due to societal factors.

Take the Black community as an example. While integration may have happened decades ago many of the schools that were "Black Only" are still predominantly Black. These schools generally receive less funding due to factors that stretch back before the Civil Rights movement.

School funding generally comes down to two factors: 1.) How wealthy the area is; and 2.) Performance of the school.

Black communities had a lower average income pre-Civil Rights (and still do) and were receiving less funding for education. So even though in the eyes of the law Black people were now equal to White people, they were pretty much starting at bedrock while White people had a penthouse.

The point of affirmative action was to allow these people opportunities they may not have had otherwise. And as a result, in time, there would be an actual equal playing ground in these communities as more money, and as a direct result more funding for education, would flow in.

These policies don't exist because of white guilt, or reparations, or whatever. They exist because centuries of US policy DID screw over certain demographics. And that's not going to suddenly change with one law.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: shawmanfromny
Universities should ALWAYS take a race-neutral approach to student admissions and base their decision on a student's GRADES



why wasn't it always like this again?

what did obama try to circumvent



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Well, let's be fair. If Trump invented the cure for cancer, the unhinged leftist suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome would scream and cry how they deserve to die instead of a cure from Trump and say he conspired with Russia Russia Russia in order to do it



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Had Obama invented cure for cancer Trump would scrap it and American rednecks would think it's about fighting "globuuuhhliissts".


Cool care to address the content of the thread and the implications instead of trying to dog whistle?????


LOL. Dog whistle. Every time Trump does something American rednecks parrot how he is destroying some globalist cabale.
You want to be anti globalist? Build a fckin wall and isolate yourself like North Korea. Your currency is the most traded around the world. Your economy is dependant on the trade with rest of the world. I'm just tired of illiterate hicks screaming "glooooohhbbullist" at every piece of news.


It has nothing to do with global trade and everything to do with the Bilderbergs, Soros, G7, The few elite people and the world banks that want to control the world and usher in a NWO.

Screw the rest of the world

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posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:52 PM
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. Asian students have to often score higher on their SATs, than white students, 

Why is this?



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Because ALL their moms are Tiger Moms.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

No based on ability to pay.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:03 PM
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Its funny, with so many leftist colleges out there, they fully admit they cant be trusted to hold diversity standards themselves, they need government regulations to ensure they enroll a token ratio of brownies and whities?

Sounds like they need to overhaul their enrollment departments, and kick out all the White supremacists



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: carewemust

That's the thing though. Base level is not an equal playing field. That's the whole point behind affirmative action.

Certain demographics are still vastly underrepresented in higher education primarily due to societal factors.

Take the Black community as an example. While integration may have happened decades ago many of the schools that were "Black Only" are still predominantly Black. These schools generally receive less funding due to factors that stretch back before the Civil Rights movement.

School funding generally comes down to two factors: 1.) How wealthy the area is; and 2.) Performance of the school.

Black communities had a lower average income pre-Civil Rights (and still do) and were receiving less funding for education. So even though in the eyes of the law Black people were now equal to White people, they were pretty much starting at bedrock while White people had a penthouse.

The point of affirmative action was to allow these people opportunities they may not have had otherwise. And as a result, in time, there would be an actual equal playing ground in these communities as more money, and as a direct result more funding for education, would flow in.

These policies don't exist because of white guilt, or reparations, or whatever. They exist because centuries of US policy DID screw over certain demographics. And that's not going to suddenly change with one law.


I've never bought into this racist policy. You see, there are not 100% black communities. There are poor communities with high percentages of the population black, but there are kids of all colors in those schools. So the poor 'minority' kids (not black) in those schools get picked on their whole time there and then colleges treat them as some kind of elite. Why should a black kid from Beverly Hills get accepted over a white kid from Harlem if the white kids grades were better and in a worse environment?

There is a simple solution, poverty based affirmative action. Where kids with lower SATs from inner city schools known for low scores and bad teaching in general get a little extra help getting into college.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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I'm going to come back to this thread. I actually had meant to start this discussion, but got distracted.

As a minority, I generally support affirmative action and think the arguments being used against it are too simplistic.

First, this is about the upper echelon of education. The ivies and other peer schools. The reason it is such a hot topic is that some people view admission to these schools the be all end all. Going to Harvard and other schools covets a certain prestige and other opportunities (think employment) that virtually guarantee an upper class life.

Second, admissions to these schools has never been just about GPA and test scores. The reality is that the very top schools could accept a class of nothing but 4.0 / perfect SAT students and still not have enough slots for every student that wanted to attend. Many students who have high GPAs or test scores may not necessarily be what the schools are looking for in creating a well rounded student body that benefits all the students.

Third, I get annoyed by the inconsistency. Why is it ok for a school like Duke or other academically prestigious Div 1 schools to accept functionally illiterate athletes? If it is all about "academic merit" then it needs to apply across the board. Same goes for legacy admits. Employee admits.

Asians are rightfully upset as they have been hit with a type of reverse discrimination in that they do so well on standardized tests. However, what they fail to realize, is that admissions is not based solely on a singular test score. Never has been. The other issue is that in a way, just as blacks are stereotyped to all come from disadvantaged backgrounds, Asians have been type cast to have no personality/creativity and only good at standardized test taking bringing nothing original to the school.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Probably for the same reason the NBA doesn't have a diversity program.
Money talks



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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Love the 'idea' of affirmative action. Absolutely hate how it was implemented.

Until that part gets figured out, I think it's good to scrap it.

Living under a merit based system until then is hardly the end of the world.
edit on 3-7-2018 by loam because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Edumakated

Probably for the same reason the NBA doesn't have a diversity program.
Money talks


Exactly. Funny how we aren't so righteous about "merit" when your school's b-ball or football record is at stake. No problem admitting Jaquan who reads at a 5th grade level with affirmative action then...

The NBA and other professional sports are about as close to "merit" as you will find in the real world. Hence why there is very little diversity. Much how Asians spend an inordinate amount of time perfecting their test taking skills, blacks spend the same playing b-ball. If Harvard and other schools were solely based on GPA/SAT and nothing else, the student body would be almost entirely Asian and Indian. However, Harvard is not the NBA...



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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If we want to be a raceless society we need to remove all race laws that do anything but promote equal treatment under the law.

I agree with the administration. There was a time for affirmative action. That time is dead and we need to move forward as equals.

Affirmative action promotes that one group is actually superior to another group and because of this we need to give more to the inferior.

We need to fix education at the grade school level, not promote the idea of inferiority.
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posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

What a nice simple world you must live in where all of the nations ills can be explained away by one simple statement:

white people are racist.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:29 PM
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No one that I've ever talked to who can speak intelligently on this topic denies that the U.S. purposefully created a society where it was much more difficult for minorities to succed--in the past.

Yes, some of those policies are slow to be corrected, like the amount of welfare programs available to cause economic and psychological issues with minority populations, but that doesn't mean that we are not at a point in our nation where personal responsibility shouldn't supersede the blame placed on the government for the plight of minority communities.

What I don't understand with many people who keep citing the historical aspect of our collective treatment of minorities is the reason that they don't accept that making something like getting into college falsely easier based on skin color actually hurts minorities in the long run, especially the black population that it is meant to help.

According to InsideHigherEd.com:

Altogether, 54.8 percent of those students completed a degree or certificate within six years of entering a postsecondary institution, but broken down by race and ethnicity, those rates fluctuate by up to 25 percent.

White and Asian students completed their programs at similar rates -- 62 percent and 63.2 percent, respectively -- while Hispanic and black students graduated at rates of 45.8 percent and 38 percent, respectively.

So, according to the study at the center of that article, only 38% of black students graduate with a degree or certificate within SIX YEARS of starting at a college or university--that's less that four out of every 10 black students!

Yet, these minorities (where Hispanics didn't fare much better) are enticed and pushed to enter into a postsecondary school by the education system, society in general, the federal government who is always willing to give you a student loan, and a system specifically designed to make it easier for these minorities, all so that they can graduate at a rate of 38% after six long years of schooling.

I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a positive thing. The harsh reality of life is that not everyone is college material, and when you really think about it, this system of pushing everyone into a college or university and what it's doing is giving 62% of those starting the journey the lasting doubt surrounding the fact that they couldn't or chose not to finish the process. In a culture where higher education is marketed as "normal," that can be devastating to people.

So, I have to say, if the concern is the history of policies that "DID screw over certain demographics," I would argue that the implementation and the argument to keep affirmative-action policies is a misguided attempt to fix a problem. When will people begin to accept that, in many instances, the government is the problem, and maybe it would be best just to get them out of the business of controlling things surrounding our education system.

TL-DR Version: Affirmative Action is another link in the chain of perpetuating the mentality that keeps minorities down.
edit on 3-7-2018 by SlapMonkey because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: loam

Well, if it's "hardly the end of the world" now, then government just shouldn't "fix" that which isn't a big problem.




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