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Define Socialism... IN YOUR OWN WORDS.

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posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

A society where the motive for the economic system is not corporate profit, but the motive is the welfare of people, health care, jobs, child care, and so on. But that is dominant. Where there is a greater equalization of wealth and a society which is peaceful, which devotes its resources to helping people in the country and elsewhere.

A world where war is no longer the recourse for the settling of grievances and problems. The wiping out of national boundaries.

No visas and passports and immigration quotas, a global society. They use the word “globalization,” but they use it in a very narrow sense to mean the freedom of corporations to move across boundaries. Socialism would be a freedom of people and things to move across boundaries.

A greater societal intervention into the economy, but without deprivation of civil liberties. Dalton Trumbo, the Hollywood writer, put it very simply. He said, “Socialism without jails.”

I think the American Indians had a true form of socialism going on when we got here, however I don’t think that would be possible to have now. Equality in wealth in that sense would obviously stifle the development of things like a space program or innovation or anything that takes a butt load of money to do that is usually taken on by large corporations.




posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 12:38 AM
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Control and distribution of multiple private commodities/services by a central authority, usually described as "for the greater good."

It isn't.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: ScepticScot

Hitler was an anti-smoking, vegan, gun grabber. FDR was elected as a Democrat. Today’s perspective says they were a perfect match.


Pretty sure FDR wasn't anti smoking or vegan.

Hitler also wasn't a 'gun grabber'.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

Well said. Very well said.

As you say though ... unless and until all those characteristics and qualities EVOLVE NATURALLY those ideals will continue to ellude us. What you are describing there cannot be "planned for" nor "forced from without."




posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 02:12 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

Socialism should be owned by the many not the few. Unfortunately, we're not seeing it due to policy and dirty deeds, antagonized and controlled by undefined illicit groups 'cough', done dirt cheap.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: murphy22

You just described Obamacare, how it was passed and received the Supreme Court blessing.


Obama care is a good example of trying to incorporate socialism into a capitalistic system...and failing. You haven't got what we have. The cost of your healthcare is insane. Trying to spread that around is like trying to wipe up jello with one square of toilet paper. It just makes a big mess.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: murphy22

You just described Obamacare, how it was passed and received the Supreme Court blessing.


Obama care is a good example of trying to incorporate socialism into a capitalistic system...and failing. You haven't got what we have. The cost of your healthcare is insane. Trying to spread that around is like trying to wipe up jello with one square of toilet paper. It just makes a big mess.


A merger of state and corporate power; corporate insurance mandated by centralized power government... is "Textbook Fascism".




posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yup. You need a system but the ACA isn't it. Those of us with a decent system look at the ACA and think WTF?



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 07:21 AM
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I'll try again, to clarify.
Socialism is a system whereby everyone pays and has a stake in broader society.
Whether it is the roads we drive on, the hospitals that treat us, the schools and universities that educate our kids, the police and armed forces that protect us. All these things are paid for from general taxation.
That is socialism.
You can have more of it or less.
Some of the big important industries can be nationalised and run for the benefit of the state, things like power, water, transportation and auto manufacturing spring to mind.

As to whether it is a good or bad thing...I sometimes wonder if it costs more to have all the big steel mills, coal mines and power stations in the hands of private capital. (Count up the lost jobs and ruined communities where the mines and mills were and I don't think getting rid of those jobs saved us a single penny, especially as we all pay more for our energy than we used to, even taking regular inflation into account)



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yup. You need a system but the ACA isn't it. Those of us with a decent system look at the ACA and think WTF?



Your system is "decent" but still has glaring problems which is why it's only "decent" and not wonderful or great. One could argue that the US system prior to Obamacare was also "decent" as far as that goes.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 07:48 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yup. You need a system but the ACA isn't it. Those of us with a decent system look at the ACA and think WTF?



Your system is "decent" but still has glaring problems which is why it's only "decent" and not wonderful or great. One could argue that the US system prior to Obamacare was also "decent" as far as that goes.


Hardly. If I was in the States my health care bill for the last year would have been over half a million. And after I qualified I got the liver pretty quickly. I don't think you could say that even before the ACA.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

FDR smoked and was not a vegetarian. Did do some gun grabbing though. Hitler grabbed quite a few especially when taking new countries, Poland and France notably. Didn’t help that access to arms was pretty low all over Europe anyway, well except Sweden and England at the time.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct




I think the American Indians had a true form of socialism going on when we got here, however I don’t think that would be possible to have now. Equality in wealth in that sense would obviously stifle the development of things like a space program or innovation or anything that takes a butt load of money to do that is usually taken on by large corporations.


American Indians. They didn't have The Internetz at their disposal to hold a quick referendum with, they didn't hold back appr. 6K projects under some National Security Act and they didn't feed a globalised deep state corporate web with dark budgets.

Frankly, I have no idea why we haven't been dismantling all corporations already. Like... centuries ago. Humanity would thrive in the whole sun system, possibly even beyond, if the funny monkeys would've sticked to their tribal structures and developed effective syndicates. Turns out the more feudal inclined chieftains and leaders would rather impose centralisation, cultivate human capital and see lotta returns on their investment instead.

Look at that! We're sheep with smartphones by now, and about to develop anti-fake-news-algos for more safety in advertisement... err... for more truth and fewer lies in the news. Progress!



edit on 5-7-2018 by PublicOpinion because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

The US healthcare system as it stands, is why we pay significantly less for gasoline and other goods than countries with universal healthcare. Distributed care has distributed payments, whereas direct care has direct payments. Really what it boils down to in the end. And if Captain Trips starts making the rounds neither system will work.

Most of the world thought Obamacare was universal healthcare and thought we were nuts protesting it. They didn’t understand that we were fighting mandatory higher premiums that would rob the last few bucks we were able to save and then some.

Other countries gripe about Trump’s tariffs because it cuts into their export profits. If the US went full socialist, no one would be able to afford to buy their crap in the first place. Better to lose a little than to lose it all.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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Hitler and the Nazis were not Socialist, To all those struggling with this, please read this, it's well written.

www.snopes.com...

a reply to: intrepid

edit on 5-7-2018 by Shminkee Pinkee because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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The most powerful tool to promote dependence and apathy. It fails every time.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 12:02 PM
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Socialism didn't start with Marx.

Marxist socialism doesn't require totalitarianism for implementation.

Nazis adhered to "sozialismus" in name only (at least, per A. Hitler and G. Goebbels.) and it certainly wasn't Marxian socialism.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: Shminkee Pinkee
Are you kidding me? Snopes? Snopes will twist the term so it fits to todays Nationalists. Yes they were Socialist. The party took care of the people. It tenants had to be accepted by the general population or else. Limited free speech. Hitler promoted social programs for the youth to attend and be indoctrinated. Not socialist? Give me a break. Snopes is a communist propaganda machine.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: Ansuzrune
a reply to: Shminkee Pinkee
Are you kidding me? Snopes? Snopes will twist the term so it fits to todays Nationalists. Yes they were Socialist. The party took care of the people. It tenants had to be accepted by the general population or else. Limited free speech. Hitler promoted social programs for the youth to attend and be indoctrinated. Not socialist? Give me a break. Snopes is a communist propaganda machine.


Snopes is right in this case; you're merely "damning the source."

Hitler and Goebbels BOTH stated that "their socialism" was entirely focused on their idealistic concepts of the volk, the German People ... a glorification of nationalism and folk history, Germany for Germans, racial superiority, etc.etc.

The carrot was "taking care of the people, giving back jobs and pride, aka 'Making Germany Great Again'"

The stick was totalitarian usurpation of the German republic.



posted on Jul, 5 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: intrepid

Socialism is an unnecessary infringement on individual rights.


For example, socialized medicine.



Socialism sits upon a spectrum, not a binary choice.

Every country, including the USA, benefits from some degree of socialism.

Military Defense, Fire Departments, Police, Roads...

Things that everyone agrees are best served by pooling resources so each individual benefits.

Capitalism operates best when the outcome benefits from competition.

Medical Care?
Cancer does not care how hard you work, how much you innovate, how much education you invest in or how much money you make.
Disease does not care about capitalism and vice versa.

Medical care does have a community benefit and cost that can be measured in dollars though.

Since tribes first gathered together for community benefits like common defense and knowledge sharing, returning injured or sick warriors, hunters and craftsmen to the community rather than let them suffer and die has always been a group advantage.

Medicine has always very clearly belonged in the "Socialism" column.




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