Define Socialism... IN YOUR OWN WORDS.

a reply to: Gryphon66
It's not the "voting", it's the attempt. Trust me, none of my freedoms can be "voted" away. ...
I'm not sure you understand the law in the U.S.A.

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Gryphon66
It's not the "voting", it's the attempt. Trust me, none of my freedoms can be "voted" away. ...
I'm not sure you understand the law in the U.S.A.

I understand how the legal system in the US works just fine, don't be silly.

You don't remember your own words from a post or so ago?

originally posted by: murphy22 Socialism is when the "Democratic majority", of the/my "peers" in my Republic, think they can "democratically vote" away, my individual freedom as an American.

So were you incorrect then or are you incorrect now?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xBWOMPx

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: murphy22
Socialism is when the "Democratic majority", of the/my "peers" in my Republic, think they can "democratically vote" away, my individual freedom as an American.
Anyone trying/doing/working for that goal? Is a "socialist"! I don't care what they "identify" as, a "Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Nazi or "loyal subject". I'm an American. It doesn't matter to me the brand or "title" of folks or beast. If you're trespassing,... you're trespassing on The C.O.T.U.S. and you are breaking the law! Have fun with that. Because I will!... "This We'll Defend"! Long live the Republic! God bless America!

Which of your freedoms are being/have been voted away?

What isn't free? Your pay check isn't all yours, selling or trading goods is taxed, giving a gift can be taxed, privacy, your home is not ever yours any more, the freedom to persuit happiness if your DL is suspended, your privacy, the constitution is being perverted at an alarming rate. There is nothing free unless it's the politicians dipping there hands in the citizens pockets! Free for them time taken from us! Right now the libs are working on a couple big freedoms that will greatly impact the freedom of the people if they succeed which is our 1st and 2nd amendment!

Article I Section 8 covers taxes on goods and commerce; the Sixteenth Amendment allows for an apportioned tax (income tax).

No one made you take out a mortgage on your home, the rights to require various licenses are reserved to the States by the Tenth Amendment ... you've not listed one "Constitutional perversion" thus far.

Are you saying you require a car to pursue happiness? What are you going to do, run it down? LOL.

Politicians dipping their hands in the citizens pockets? Yes, welcome to any government that has ever existed anywhere at any time. There is no free lunch; everything costs.

What specifically do you think "the libs" are doing in regard to the First and Second Amendments?

Look I feel what you're saying. I despise seeing what my tax dollars get wasted on nationally, state-wide and locally. I might have enjoyed living in the early days of the American Republic when we were still small enough population-wise to truly have a small Federal government.

And trust, I am all in favor of shrinking every level of govenrment to the degree it can be shrunk.

You obviously dont know why the revolutionary war started and yes, a car can be used for the persuit of happiness. In the older days the government was not to infringe on this right and an American citizen has the right to persue happiness rather by foot, horse, carriage or automobile. Other Amendments were added much later on to pervert the constitution, well, anyway, go to a library, everyone and there google tells them everything, it's so horribly wrong and mistaken!

a reply to: xBWOMPx

LOL .. I don't know how the Revolutionary War started??? I do happen to ... but ... that's a non-sensical statement on your part.

You don't have a Constitutional right to drive a car on public roads, and you don't need a license on your own land.

If I were guessing my friend, I'd say that you're the one who seems to have a limited knowledge of history particularly as regards the Constitution ... as you think Amendments were added to "pervert" the Constitution?

I'm good bud. You enjoy your opinions. You might want to make that trip to the library yourself though.

a reply to: Gryphon66

It's the "precedent" that was set. Not that it wasn't a good "new deal" for the time.
"Lifting people up" is the right thing to do. But carrying their greatgrandchildren around doesn't make for wise or sound "intentions".
That only makes "socialist". Which I'm very sure, that was the plan.

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's the "precedent" that was set. Not that it wasn't a good "new deal" for the time.
"Lifting people up" is the right thing to do. But carrying their greatgrandchildren around doesn't make for wise or sound "intentions".
That only makes "socialist". Which I'm very sure, that was the plan.

As a matter of fact, aside from Social Security, most of what is thought of today as "Welfare State" does not descend from the New Deal but is more related to Johnson's War on Poverty.

There is very little to no socialism in America. Again, government regulation and welfare programs are not socialism.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Difference between Hitler and F.D.R. is? Who got/gets to control the "Socialist/Socialism"? Honestly? Would you want a "bad, evil" socialist, controlling socialism? Or a good "angel of light" Socialist controlling socialism?
F.D.R. is one of the worst things that has happened to America. Only Pres. to have three terms and absolutely start a destructive ruin to the US. Constitution.... Regardless of his good intentions or emotions. He and his supporters are not alive to "feel" his "warm fuzzies". Fact is? We're trying to figure out, how to unF his "patriotic" "Socialist" love.

Millions of Americans who lived through the Great Depression and were saved by the New Deal would disagree with your summation that it was the "worst things" that has happened.

Tell us, which factory did FDR seize from the owners and deed to the workers? Name one.

We'll wait.

Government programs and initiatives are not socialism they are aspects of a modern welfare state which is not except in the most general sense, socialistic.

They aren't constitutional either without a 2500 mile wide interpretation of "general welfare" but that's another topic.

The great depression happened because the federal reserve wanted to get rid of the gold standard. The wanted the ability to print as much money as they please but before then they couldn't because every green back had to be backed by silver or gold (look up early 1900 dollar bills, guaranteed to be backed by silver or gold) so they destroyed that dollar, forced EVERYBODY to turn in ALL of there gold and silver because they said it wasn't worth anything anymore, or they would face prison and up to a $10,000 fine (yes, the great depression) then they created the new dollar that was not backed by gold and silver and printed away to buy away our leadership. You can thank Woodrow Wilson for signing over our credit to the federal reserve. That is where Americas problems started. For awhile they were printing whatever they wanted, paying who they wanted but all those dollars were creating interest because they had nothing backing it, so during WWII they created the federal income tax to pay for this interest, the people of America are paying the interest of printed bills so they can print whatever they want when they want, that is an unjustful tax.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xBWOMPx

LOL .. I don't know how the Revolutionary War started??? I do happen to ... but ... that's a non-sensical statement on your part.

You don't have a Constitutional right to drive a car on public roads, and you don't need a license on your own land.

If I were guessing my friend, I'd say that you're the one who seems to have a limited knowledge of history particularly as regards the Constitution ... as you think Amendments were added to "pervert" the Constitution?

I'm good bud. You enjoy your opinions. You might want to make that trip to the library yourself though.

The revolutionary war started over a 2% tax increase on a breakfast beverage, it was called, wait for it..... The boston tea party, people got tired of having to pay a tax on their own labor, pay tax for there home or lose it, pay tax on roads they travel on or dont travel on, pay tax for whatever or go to jail, people wanted to be free. That was the purpose of the revolutionary war. Of course you can drive a car on your land but you cant do whatever you want on your land like drink a beer and mow your own lawn. Anyway, ive been to the library several times, I know my history, apparently you do not, go dust those books off and use your brain

BTW, the old law was, it was the american citizens right to pursue happiness by foot, horse carriage, or automobile, it was not a privilege it was a right. Automobile and vehicle have two different meanings, just like driving and traveling. Its why in court they say driving and vehicle, not automobile and traveling. When you admit to driving a vehicle you are breaking the law but when you admit to traveling in an automobile you are not.

a reply to: xBWOMPx

So all that over-speculation in the Stock Market and the Crash of '29 , drought-induced failure of agriculture, multiple bank failures due again to the aforementioned over-speculation, high tariffs, etc. was just hype?

The Federal Reserve definitely played a part in all that, yes.

FDR issued the EO that basically outlawed private ownership of gold bullion, etc. not Wilson.

And the income tax was established under Wilson, not FDR.

Thanks for the talk.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I have explained myself. You're asking me to repeat what I have already said? There's a "comprehension" problem here. Just so you know? It ain't me.
I'll dumb it down for you, because I'm a nice guy.
There is voting in the US.A. There is very limited democracy. The U.S.A.
"democracy" is, five wolves and one sheep, voting on plate and seating arrangement. Not on, "what's for dinner".. Because we/U.S. of America are a Republic we have "laws" and "individual rights" that are above the law. If I have to simplify the analogy for you, I can.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xBWOMPx

So all that over-speculation in the Stock Market and the Crash of '29 , drought-induced failure of agriculture, multiple bank failures due again to the aforementioned over-speculation, high tariffs, etc. was just hype?

The Federal Reserve definitely played a part in all that, yes.

FDR issued the EO that basically outlawed private ownership of gold bullion, etc. not Wilson.

And the income tax was established under Wilson, not FDR.

Thanks for the talk.

I never said Woodrow Wilson outlawed gold or silver... Sure, you make an economy crash you better have a good reason, who do you think paid the politicians to outlaw gold and silver?

"Give me control of your credit, and I care not who makes laws" J.P. Morgan

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Gryphon66

I have explained myself. You're asking me to repeat what I have already said? There's a "comprehension" problem here. Just so you know? It ain't me.
I'll dumb it down for you, because I'm a nice guy.
There is voting in the US.A. There is very limited democracy. The U.S.A.
"democracy" is, five wolves and one sheep, voting on plate and seating arrangement. Not on, "what's for dinner".. Because we/U.S. of America are a Republic we have "laws" and "individual rights" that are above the law. If I have to simplify the analogy for you, I can.

LOL ... no need to dumb anything down (as if that were even possible.)

You can't stand up for what you said.

Your "folksy examples" are trite and ill-informed.

A republican form of government is actually all about our natural rights expressed in laws.

I do see my mistake though. Clearly.

Thanks for the chat.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Gryphon66

I have explained myself. You're asking me to repeat what I have already said? There's a "comprehension" problem here. Just so you know? It ain't me.
I'll dumb it down for you, because I'm a nice guy.
There is voting in the US.A. There is very limited democracy. The U.S.A.
"democracy" is, five wolves and one sheep, voting on plate and seating arrangement. Not on, "what's for dinner".. Because we/U.S. of America are a Republic we have "laws" and "individual rights" that are above the law. If I have to simplify the analogy for you, I can.

LOL ... no need to dumb anything down (as if that were even possible.)

You can't stand up for what you said.

Your "folksy examples" are trite and ill-informed.

A republican form of government is actually all about our natural rights expressed in laws.

I do see my mistake though. Clearly.

Thanks for the chat.

ill informed??? You should go brush up on history (not google) I'd suggest to start with the boston tea party and work your way up to today. But research and question everything and see where the rabbit hole takes you.

Anarchism, socialism and communism are the white man's placebo's. Anyway you look at it, it's made by white people, for white people. And no sir, I'm not a fan of either pseudo ideology.

originally posted by: SkepticalRogue123
Anarchism, socialism and communism are the white man's placebo's. Anyway you look at it, it's made by white people, for white people. And no sir, I'm not a fan of either pseudo ideology.

What system of socio-economics is not "white man's placebos" then?

originally posted by: SkepticalRogue123
Anarchism, socialism and communism are the white man's placebo's. Anyway you look at it, it's made by white people, for white people. And no sir, I'm not a fan of either pseudo ideology.

And dictatorship has been made by Black, White, Yellow, and Brown... SO whats your point? That's the least id prefer

Anything not influenced by Western (Eurocentric, Jewish or captilist) thought. it poisons everything it touches!

originally posted by: SkepticalRogue123
Anything not influenced by Western (Eurocentric, Jewish or captilist) thought. it poisons everything it touches!

Okay, so that's a negative definition ... you're telling me what you don't want.

What's an example of a system that you want to be a part of? One that isn't "corrupted" as you put it?

originally posted by: SkepticalRogue123
Anything not influenced by Western (Eurocentric, Jewish or captilist) thought. it poisons everything it touches!

Then nothing in the world is not "poisoned" by now, so you might as well give it up.

I know the answer though ... you need to kill all us "white devils" and then you can make like the Taliban and erase all traces of all culture because we've touched it all, and then you can drag yourselves out of the caves you will have been relegated to living in by then, but ... on the bright side, whatever survives will be living on a system they will have made on their own.