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originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Gryphon66
It's not the "voting", it's the attempt. Trust me, none of my freedoms can be "voted" away. ...
I'm not sure you understand the law in the U.S.A.
originally posted by: murphy22 Socialism is when the "Democratic majority", of the/my "peers" in my Republic, think they can "democratically vote" away, my individual freedom as an American.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: xBWOMPx
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: murphy22
Socialism is when the "Democratic majority", of the/my "peers" in my Republic, think they can "democratically vote" away, my individual freedom as an American.
Anyone trying/doing/working for that goal? Is a "socialist"! I don't care what they "identify" as, a "Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Nazi or "loyal subject". I'm an American. It doesn't matter to me the brand or "title" of folks or beast. If you're trespassing,... you're trespassing on The C.O.T.U.S. and you are breaking the law! Have fun with that. Because I will!... "This We'll Defend"! Long live the Republic! God bless America!
Which of your freedoms are being/have been voted away?
What isn't free? Your pay check isn't all yours, selling or trading goods is taxed, giving a gift can be taxed, privacy, your home is not ever yours any more, the freedom to persuit happiness if your DL is suspended, your privacy, the constitution is being perverted at an alarming rate. There is nothing free unless it's the politicians dipping there hands in the citizens pockets! Free for them time taken from us! Right now the libs are working on a couple big freedoms that will greatly impact the freedom of the people if they succeed which is our 1st and 2nd amendment!
Article I Section 8 covers taxes on goods and commerce; the Sixteenth Amendment allows for an apportioned tax (income tax).
No one made you take out a mortgage on your home, the rights to require various licenses are reserved to the States by the Tenth Amendment ... you've not listed one "Constitutional perversion" thus far.
Are you saying you require a car to pursue happiness? What are you going to do, run it down? LOL.
Politicians dipping their hands in the citizens pockets? Yes, welcome to any government that has ever existed anywhere at any time. There is no free lunch; everything costs.
What specifically do you think "the libs" are doing in regard to the First and Second Amendments?
Look I feel what you're saying. I despise seeing what my tax dollars get wasted on nationally, state-wide and locally. I might have enjoyed living in the early days of the American Republic when we were still small enough population-wise to truly have a small Federal government.
And trust, I am all in favor of shrinking every level of govenrment to the degree it can be shrunk.
originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Gryphon66
It's the "precedent" that was set. Not that it wasn't a good "new deal" for the time.
"Lifting people up" is the right thing to do. But carrying their greatgrandchildren around doesn't make for wise or sound "intentions".
That only makes "socialist". Which I'm very sure, that was the plan.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Difference between Hitler and F.D.R. is? Who got/gets to control the "Socialist/Socialism"? Honestly? Would you want a "bad, evil" socialist, controlling socialism? Or a good "angel of light" Socialist controlling socialism?
F.D.R. is one of the worst things that has happened to America. Only Pres. to have three terms and absolutely start a destructive ruin to the US. Constitution.... Regardless of his good intentions or emotions. He and his supporters are not alive to "feel" his "warm fuzzies". Fact is? We're trying to figure out, how to unF his "patriotic" "Socialist" love.
Millions of Americans who lived through the Great Depression and were saved by the New Deal would disagree with your summation that it was the "worst things" that has happened.
Tell us, which factory did FDR seize from the owners and deed to the workers? Name one.
We'll wait.
Government programs and initiatives are not socialism they are aspects of a modern welfare state which is not except in the most general sense, socialistic.
They aren't constitutional either without a 2500 mile wide interpretation of "general welfare" but that's another topic.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xBWOMPx
LOL .. I don't know how the Revolutionary War started??? I do happen to ... but ... that's a non-sensical statement on your part.
You don't have a Constitutional right to drive a car on public roads, and you don't need a license on your own land.
If I were guessing my friend, I'd say that you're the one who seems to have a limited knowledge of history particularly as regards the Constitution ... as you think Amendments were added to "pervert" the Constitution?
I'm good bud. You enjoy your opinions. You might want to make that trip to the library yourself though.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xBWOMPx
So all that over-speculation in the Stock Market and the Crash of '29 , drought-induced failure of agriculture, multiple bank failures due again to the aforementioned over-speculation, high tariffs, etc. was just hype?
The Federal Reserve definitely played a part in all that, yes.
FDR issued the EO that basically outlawed private ownership of gold bullion, etc. not Wilson.
And the income tax was established under Wilson, not FDR.
Thanks for the talk.
originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Gryphon66
I have explained myself. You're asking me to repeat what I have already said? There's a "comprehension" problem here. Just so you know? It ain't me.
I'll dumb it down for you, because I'm a nice guy.
There is voting in the US.A. There is very limited democracy. The U.S.A.
"democracy" is, five wolves and one sheep, voting on plate and seating arrangement. Not on, "what's for dinner".. Because we/U.S. of America are a Republic we have "laws" and "individual rights" that are above the law. If I have to simplify the analogy for you, I can.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Gryphon66
I have explained myself. You're asking me to repeat what I have already said? There's a "comprehension" problem here. Just so you know? It ain't me.
I'll dumb it down for you, because I'm a nice guy.
There is voting in the US.A. There is very limited democracy. The U.S.A.
"democracy" is, five wolves and one sheep, voting on plate and seating arrangement. Not on, "what's for dinner".. Because we/U.S. of America are a Republic we have "laws" and "individual rights" that are above the law. If I have to simplify the analogy for you, I can.
LOL ... no need to dumb anything down (as if that were even possible.)
You can't stand up for what you said.
Your "folksy examples" are trite and ill-informed.
A republican form of government is actually all about our natural rights expressed in laws.
I do see my mistake though. Clearly.
Thanks for the chat.
originally posted by: SkepticalRogue123
Anarchism, socialism and communism are the white man's placebo's. Anyway you look at it, it's made by white people, for white people. And no sir, I'm not a fan of either pseudo ideology.
originally posted by: SkepticalRogue123
Anarchism, socialism and communism are the white man's placebo's. Anyway you look at it, it's made by white people, for white people. And no sir, I'm not a fan of either pseudo ideology.
originally posted by: SkepticalRogue123
Anything not influenced by Western (Eurocentric, Jewish or captilist) thought. it poisons everything it touches!
originally posted by: SkepticalRogue123
Anything not influenced by Western (Eurocentric, Jewish or captilist) thought. it poisons everything it touches!