Define Socialism... IN YOUR OWN WORDS.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Hitler was a self described socialist.

Hitler also said that he wasn't hitting on his half-niece Geli R., that he isn't high on drug cocktails all the time and that he won't wage war with Stalin.

Go ahead and put your trust in this guy, what could possibly go wrong?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Hitler's "socialism" was German nationalism, and he (and Goebbels) specficially stated that sozialismus was not in any way Marxist repeatedly.

Nationalism / Globalism are a completely separate category of tribalist ism's than political or economic ism's.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

And Obama campaigned on socialized medicine. Instead you ended up with Textbook Fascist medicine.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Hitler's "socialism" was German nationalism, and he (and Goebbels) specficially stated that sozialismus was not in any way Marxist repeatedly.

Nationalism / Globalism are a completely separate category of tribalist ism's than political or economic ism's.

Do tell. Nationalism/Globalism aren't political? What are they in your schema?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Globalism Equals Nationalism Equals Globalism

Those are merely "World Identity".

One can be nationalist and socialist or communist or fascist or otherwise.

One can be globalist and socialist or communist or fascist or otherwise.

Just like a black / white / orange / ultraviolet person can be socialist or communist or fascist or otherwise.

Thank you come again.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

At least I have a health insurance even if I end up without a paintjob. Somebody still has to go to the dentist for me though. Obameal me that, you wanna-be-Kraut with an online-degree on nationalsocialism.



Happy Forth to you, too, my bliss of an ignorant tool!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Hitler would have approved of Obamacare!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The Forth is a good day to channel Hitler for your Obamania, I'll give you that.

Ask him why Geli killed herself, that should be fun.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

If I only I possessed Hitlary's gift for conjuring dead political celebrities.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

All you said was people identify themselves in different ways.

/shrug

Awesome.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Hitler was a self described socialist.

The word "Nazi" is an abbreviation for the word "Nationalsozialist".

The full name of the political party was the "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" - the National Socialist German Worker's Party.

You cannot define socialism by what has not existed. Even the Scandinavian countries were and are capitalist, only now with an emphasis on a social safety net.

Hitler was not a socialist, he was a fascist. The German public did not own and have a share in the means of production. Hitler served the corporations. Textbook fascist.

Thing is that Fascists always use Socialist rhetoric in order to get support from the masses. Donald Trump even did the same.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Just go ahead and drop another one, Stalinders? Get it, Stalin-Sanders?
Whatever. You should see me mock the Forth out of our Heimathorst.



Butwhatabout! But.. but.. but... what about socialism?
Marx or Bakunin? Nordic Model or Swiss Republic?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Mad props for Bakunin.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Marx was a racist too. Enjoy looking up that dirty little 'secret'.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

All you said was people identify themselves in different ways.

/shrug

Awesome.

I pointed out that a socialist can be nationalist or a globalist or a moonist or a cosmist or whateverist.

Those are just a prominent layer of mass social group identity (tribe), a way of coalescing people into a spear via patriotic fervorism.

The typical knee jerk response is: 'NOOOOOOO the Nazi's (National Socialists) werent socialists because they were nationalists'.

And that's absurd.

a reply to: MrVancityeagle

When the USSR folded and fragmented, Russia 'became capitalist', right? Then how come they were all handed shares in all the corps?

My personal way to describe socialism is that it's what happens when society decides that everyone needs $20, so when one person has $40 and another has zero, they decide to empower government to take $20 from the guy who has $40 to give to the guy who has zero. Then they both have $20 and everyone rejoices because the problem is solved.

What always happens though is that the guy who has $40 quickly learns how to only have $20 because there is no point in ever having more, and the guy who had zero never learns how to have more. All of sudden, there is no extra money to take from some and give to others.

That's when the system either fails or socialists decide everyone only needs $10, and the cycle repeats.

They never stop to think about how they might incentivize people to do on their own because that means some will always end up with more and better and the end goal of socialism is for all to have the same.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The Lumpenprolariat might be with us right now, you better watch your six or they'll have something for free.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Gryphon66

The Lumpenprolariat might be with us right now, you better watch your six or they'll have something for free.

Something?

Everything!!!

Cheese!

a reply to: MrVancityeagle

I will concede that Nazi Germany was a hybrid between Socialism & Fascism.

Just like the US is today.

It so interesting how Hitler's domestic policies were virtually indistinguishable from FDR's New Deal.

And almost hilarious how in like every poll ever FDR is consistently ranked most favorite POTUS of all time (especially amongst Democrat voters).