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Its sounds like Origen was explaining our spiritual nature from his understanding of Genesis. Christianity also must have had higher understanding that was given to advanced practitioners (like the apostles). Without being party to that knowledge we are not in a position to ridicule Origen. Origen once wrote "Scripture contains an unhistorical element in-woven with the history, in order that the worthlessness of the latter may drive us to seek the spiritual meaning”. I see nothing but truth in those words. Its how they wrote in those ages. So stories could be transmitted orally by the uninitiated. This I feel is lost with many of todays followers. They must stop seeing Jesus the man. And start seeing Jesus as the path. Else the great pearl will forever be outside their reach. My humble opinion of course.
Neuroscience has pretty much proven that our notion of free will is illusory as our neural pathways form and interact before the conscious decision process is initiated in the brain.
originally posted by: glend
But in 2nd century, Celsus a Greek philosopher, wrote that Mary was convicted of adultery with a Roman soldier named Tiberius Pantera.
“Christianity” Becomes a Philosophy
The philosopher Celsus mockingly described Christians as “labourers, shoemakers, farmers, the most uninformed and clownish of men.” This mockery was too much for the apologists to bear. They determined to win over public opinion by resorting to a new tactic. Once rejected, worldly wisdom was now used in the service of the “Christian” cause. Clement of Alexandria, for example, saw philosophy as “true theology.” Justin, though claiming to reject pagan philosophy, was the first to use philosophical language and concepts to express “Christian” ideas, considering this type of philosophy “to be safe and profitable.”
From this point on, the strategy was, not to oppose philosophy, but to make supposed Christian thought a philosophy higher than that of the pagans. “On some points we teach the same things as the poets and philosophers whom you honour, and on other points are fuller and more divine in our teaching,” wrote Justin. Adorned with its new philosophical finery, “Christian” thought now claimed the dignity of old age. The apologists pointed out that Christian books were far older than those of the Greeks and that the prophets of the Bible lived earlier than Greek philosophers. Certain apologists even concluded that the philosophers copied from the prophets. Plato was made out to be a disciple of Moses!
This new strategy led to a mixture of Christianity and pagan philosophy. Comparisons were made between Greek gods and Bible characters. Jesus was compared to Perseus; and Mary’s conception to that of Perseus’ mother, Danaë, who was said to be also a virgin.
Certain teachings were greatly modified. For example, in the Bible, Jesus is called “the Logos,” meaning God’s “Word,” or Spokesman. (John 1:1-3, 14-18; Revelation 19:11-13) Very early on, this teaching was distorted by Justin, who like a philosopher played on the two possible meanings of the Greek word logos: “word” and “reason.” Christians, he said, received the word in the person of Christ himself. However, logos in the sense of reason is found in every man, including pagans. Thus, he concluded, those who live in harmony with reason are Christians, even those who claimed or were thought to be atheists, like Socrates and others.
Moreover, by forcing the tie between Jesus and the logos of Greek philosophy, which was closely linked with the person of God, the apologists, including Tertullian, embarked on a course that eventually led Christianity to the Trinity dogma.* [For further information on Tertullian’s beliefs, see The Paradox of Tertullian]
originally posted by: glend
a reply to: Seede
...So argued that differences between Judaism and Roman Christianity shouldn't exist. Question unanswered is why do they exist!
BEWARE OF ATTEMPTS TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER
Military strategists may use propaganda to undermine morale and weaken the fighting spirit. They may induce enemy soldiers to fight among themselves or fool them into isolating themselves from the main fighting force. A German general, it has been said, admitted that one reason for defeat in World War I was that the people “were hypnotized by the enemy propaganda as a rabbit is by a snake.” Satan uses similar tricks in his attempts to divide and conquer...
Why does religion seem to be at the root of so many problems?
The fault lies, not with all religion, but with false religion. A widely respected religious figure, Jesus Christ, indicated that false religion produces bad works, just as a “rotten tree produces worthless fruit.” (Matthew 7:15-17) What fruit does false religion yield?
False Religion . . .
▪ MEDDLES IN WAR AND POLITICS: “Across Asia and beyond,” says the journal Asiaweek, “power-hungry leaders are cynically manipulating people’s religious sentiments for their own needs.” As a result, the journal warns: “The world threatens to sink into madness.” A prominent religious leader in the United States declared: “You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops.” His solution? “Blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” By contrast, the Bible says: “If anyone makes the statement: ‘I love God,’ and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar.” (1 John 4:20) Jesus even said: “Continue to love your enemies.” (Matthew 5:44) How many religions can you think of whose members engage in war?
SPREADS FALSE DOCTRINE:...
You may have never heard of the religion known as Jainism, but it's considered one of the most peaceful on Earth. Jainism is one of the four major religions to come of out of India (the others are Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism), and the vow of non-violence is one of its defining features.
It would be incorrect to say that Jainism bans all forms of violence. ... In Jainism, violence (Hinsa) has been broadly classified in four categories:
1. Sankalpi Hinsa (deliberate violence) – deliberately killing a living-being
4. Virodhi Hinsa (defensive violence)– hinsa resulting from war etc. to safeguard the country or fight injustice
Of the four categories, Sankalpi Hinsa is totally forbidden. The other three categories of hinsa is not totally forbidden for the shravaks or household persons as this is unavoidable.
Thus, killing even a small insect deliberately is a sin and not allowed whereas, in a fight for justice and out of necessity, even if thousands get killed, it is permissible. At the time of Bhagwan Mahavir, king Chetak had to fight a war for justice in which 18 million people lost their life in just two days. As the scriptures say, Chetak did not attract any bad karmas as he was fighting for justice.
Celsus might have been a bit too biased against Christians and Christianity to take his slander seriously?
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
a reply to: Seede Thanks Seede, I now see the conflicts. Origen knew Jesus was a Jew that believed in Judaism. So argued that differences between Judaism and Roman Christianity shouldn't exist. Question unanswered is why do they exist! Reincarnation: