Debunking the present leftwing terrorist narrative.

a reply to: [post=23550437]face23785[/post
A) You follow a guy on Twitter lmao! That’s funny.. one whole guy huh?

B) That’s just what I said lol..

Classical liberal is only used to demonize the actual liberals..

The Cato institue is a conservative think tank.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Following this Cato Institute link you've included, there are some figures...

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

a reply to: face23785

You should really get a dictionary and look up the terms left and right..

There is a reason you can apply that term to every culture and country in any age.

Because left=New change> traditions

Right= traditions >change..


Political parties can have both left and rightwing policies..

If the GOP ever decides “hey here is a brand new system no one has tried before” then that is a leftwing policy.

If the democrats want to return to an old system or keep the present one , then they are pushing a rightwing policy.



Name one conservative position that wants to go in a totally new direction ??

Name one conservative policy that isn’t sold as returning to some bygone era??

“Make America great AGAIN” again = bygone era.

The left thinks the past sucked and we need to find new and better ways to do things.. because it did and we do.

The right thinks there was some Eutopian time in The past when things were perfect.. there wasn’t.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Your premise is inherently faulty because you ascribe all change as positive.

a reply to: Greven

A) Islamic terrorists are the middle easts right wing..

They want to return the region to some bygone era of Muslim perfection that of course never existed.

The MEs left wing are the ones who want a more secular democracy..


B) of you remove the 2 big terrorist attack from Islamic and rightwing terrorists (911 and Oklahoma City) then rightwing terrorists win again..

911 was just crazy off the chart for a body count terrorist attack wise.

C) reguardless the left is by far less violent than the right in pretty much every society not run by stalin..

Which should be obvious..

Of course your militia types are gonna be more violent than snowflakes..


I’m just debunking the laughable narrative rightwing media is pushing.

a reply to: DBCowboy

WHEN DID I ASCRIBE ALL CHANGE AS POSITIVE?!?!

Please quote where I did that?!?!

Not all leftwing g ideas are good ideas obviously, but all the good ideas will come out of the left..

Because they are the only ones proposing new ideas..


Right= tradition>change

Left= change> traditions..


The left has plenty of bad ideas.. it is too broad of a dynamic not to.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DBCowboy

WHEN DID I ASCRIBE ALL CHANGE AS POSITIVE?!?!

Please quote where I did that?!?!

Not all leftwing g ideas are good ideas obviously, but all the good ideas will come out of the left..

Because they are the only ones proposing new ideas..


Right= tradition>change

Left= change> traditions..


The left has plenty of bad ideas.. it is too broad of a dynamic not to.

Thus the need of the right to balance out what society needs. I said as much yesterday.

And this ridiculous labeling of extreme groups as left or right, or anyone remotely(key word) associated as terrorists is disingenuous. They're wackaloons. Leave it at that.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

Please quote where I did that?!?!

Not all leftwing g ideas are good ideas obviously, but all the good ideas will come out of the left..

Because they are the only ones proposing new ideas..

Would you say the Constitution is leftist or conservative?

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: [post=23550437]face23785[/post
A) You follow a guy on Twitter lmao! That’s funny.. one whole guy huh?

B) That’s just what I said lol..

Classical liberal is only used to demonize the actual liberals..

The Cato institue is a conservative think tank.

I actually noted more than one person, but I understand you have to make things up to support your baseless claims. Classical liberal is not used to demonize actual liberals, it's used to demonize the fake, authoritarian "liberals" that have taken over today's Democrat party. And it isn't just used by Republicans. You're factually wrong. Actual liberals use the term because they're fed up with the Nazi types that have co-opted their ideology and turned it into the very thing they used to rebel against.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: face23785

You should really get a dictionary and look up the terms left and right..

There is a reason you can apply that term to every culture and country in any age.

Because left=New change> traditions

Right= traditions >change..


Political parties can have both left and rightwing policies..

If the GOP ever decides “hey here is a brand new system no one has tried before” then that is a leftwing policy.

If the democrats want to return to an old system or keep the present one , then they are pushing a rightwing policy.



Name one conservative position that wants to go in a totally new direction ??

Name one conservative policy that isn’t sold as returning to some bygone era??

“Make America great AGAIN” again = bygone era.

The left thinks the past sucked and we need to find new and better ways to do things.. because it did and we do.

The right thinks there was some Eutopian time in The past when things were perfect.. there wasn’t.

None of this refutes what I said in the post you're quoting. I suggest you go back to the previous page and re-read the last few parts of our exchange. You seem confused as to what we're even talking about.

Still, anti-government attitudes are inherently neither left nor right so these numbers are skewed.

And you've still yet to acknowledge that you deliberately left out information that blew your narrative.

a reply to: JoshuaCox
They don´t have to offer solutions for the real problems. I am thinking of "germanys" rightwinger party, AfD.

Problems like old age poverty, child poverty, rising poverty in the average population at all. A result of the dictatorship of the rich, of oligarchy. They just want to speed up the rising of these problems, with their wish for a new manchester capitalism society, for a harsher society where the weakest go to the wall.

They don´t have solutions for the upcoming Industry4.0 era, where millions or even billions of people worldwide will become unemployed in the next 15-20 years.

They don´t have solutions for that data/spying/internet problem. They don´t have solutions for the very special german internet-infrastructure problem. They don´t care for privacy, rightwingers love lists of data about people.

They don´t have solutions for the housing market problems. They don´t have solution for the education problems. They don´t have a solution for the environmental problems, they love, as usually for rightwingers, the industry more than the people.

They don´t have a solution for the growing police- and surveillance state, they love police- and surveillance states(if they come or are in power). They only love freedom if it is THEIR freedom!

Their only solution for everything is:
Ausländer raus, Asylanten raus, Flüchtlinge raus, Muslime raus.

Ah, and "fight the establishment".
For the AfD that means they are fighting the establishment with a former Goldman-Sachs henchmen, Alice Weidel. Btw a woman that lives in the Switzerlands, in a homosexual relationship with a dark-skinned women from Sri Lanka(some sources say just with indian roots but not from Sri Lanka, as if that would make the hypocrisy better), raising kids. Like good germans do usualy...

And with a politics dinosaur, Alexander Gauland. Very anti-establsihment, like the "plain" Beatrix von Storch, an average german woman, like you can see at the "von" after the Beatrix...

These rightwinger parties are just a pool for easy to fish angry haters which hate, first and foremost, their own life. But want to make others guilty for their own failures and their miserable life. Haters which are easy to fool. You just have to say what they want to hear and they will follow blindly. Doesn´t matter that their anti-establishment heroes are more establishment that all of their supporters together.

Look, the european rightwingers have to pay back more than 500.000(544.400 exactly) Euros of EU tax money right now, tax money they burned for champagne, lobsters and gifts. But i guess they will have a good explanation how that helps the not so well educated "left-behind people", the supporters of these anti-establishment parties, their voters. Even if it doesn´t matter anymore, those that want to support them, support them only to "be allowed" to hate again, in public. They don´t care for facts, they love only the "alternative facts" in their filter-bubble.

That´s how people still supported Hitler, while everything around them was bombed to little pieces, while everything around them was destroyed and dead. They used the stupidity of many of the german people at that time, in addition to not stopping propaganda against everything not german.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JoshuaCox

If we look at just post-9/11 Right Wing terrorists are responsible for the most number of attacks. If we discount outliers (which is pretty much only the Pulse Nightclub shooting) then Right Wing terrorists are also responsible for the most number of terror related deaths.

Of course that doesn't even account for thwarted Right Wing terror plots. Just last year an Atomwaffen sect in Florida was busted for possessing explosives they were planning on using at a nuclear power plant. If they had succeeded it probably would have been the single worst terror attack in US history. But since it doesn't fit the narrative most people ignored it.

I have to say, I find it ridiculous that so many on this site tried to defend a Nazi driving a car into a group of people claiming it wasn't a terror attack; yet now many of those same people are claiming that Leftists saying mean things on the Internet is terrorism. Some people clearly don't have their priorities straight. Either that or they actually are Nazis.

Just yesterday a left wing black community organizer was busted in Milwaukee for setting up to blow up the 7th district police station... Do go on though.

a reply to: intrepid

In a perfect world where the right is being honest and not peddling ridiculously laughable conspiracy theories about left wing Illuminati’s trying to destroy the country.. sure.


But we have all the MAINSTREAM conservatives saying:..

“All the medua are in a vast conspiracy against conservatives..”

“All the scientists are in vast conspiracy to fake climate change”

“Liberals hate the military and police officers”

“Shiria law is comming to armerica”

“Government is the problem”

“Obama is a African Muslim socialist trying to desroy America!”


And my personal favorite..

“They are coming to confiscate all the guns!”


See all of that is not only dishonest. It is dangerous and they create a dynamic where you can’t work together to fix any problems. You can’t work together at all because “the left wing illuminati is trying to destroy America”.


That’s called demogogery.. and the very worst kind of demogogery..


Just for one example..

Climate change.

If mainstream conservatives were saying “ of course humans are effecting the climate, but a carbon tax is the wrong way to handle it.. maybe we should “ fill in the blank)..”

Then it would be helpful..

It is supposed to be mommy the democrat making sure the population is taken care of and daddy the republican keeping her from spending all the money..

That’s the way it works best.. but that’s not what we have.

We have daddy the republican pretending mommy the democrat is a gluttonous whore trying to destroy the family..

a reply to: thegeneraldisarray

Do you have a source for that or are you just pulling stuff out of your butt??

There are these things called links where people validate their claims.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

They don’t have any solutions because those things require something new.. not a return to the traditions of the past..

a reply to: thegeneraldisarray

How does that change anything I said?

a reply to: face23785

I might have grabbed the wrong post in my reply

a reply to: face23785

Lol.. that’s what’s known as demogogery and semantics lol

a reply to: intrepid

If both wings were pushing nonsense conspiracy theories where they pretend the other side is purposefully trying to destroy America..

Then yea.


But that isn’t the case right now..

Right now we have the MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVES pretending the intangible “left” is purposefully trying to destroy America..

The present GOP is ONLY based on demogogery and conspiracy theories..


You can’t be a republican these days unless you believe “all the media is in a vast conspiracy against republicans “ and the democrats are “comming to get your guns” and “government is the problem”.

When you have one side living in a rape fantasy reality where everyone is in a vast conspiracy against them..

ANYTHING they say or do is justified??

Shoot up an abortion clinic??

Well they are murdering babies!


Shoot up a senator??

Well they are trying to start a civil war to come take all the guns!


Buddy up to the white suprimists??

Well the left is in a vast conspiracy to end free speech!

Communism is a disease that must be destroyed?

Well then it is worth invading countries to stop it!


Some narratives make violence justified, because in some cases violence is justified..

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists are the second deadliest group of terrorists by ideology and account for 219 murders and 6.6 percent of all terrorist deaths.

OKlahoma City:

168 people killed
Overview. On April 19, 1995, 168 people were killed in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City.

oklahomacitynationalmemorial.org...

So take out that one attack that leaves 51 kilt.

McVeigh was an Anarchist who wanted to take the Government down. Anarchist are very fringe based groups that could be one way or the other such as far right, communist, socialist so kind of the extremes in either direction, but with one common agenda to over throw the Government.