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Debunking the present leftwing terrorist narrative.

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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: face23785

No only the intelligence committees got to see the intel.. and only the intel the bush administration wanted them to see.. and they don’t even have a top top secret clearance I don’t think..

The executive branch controls the military and foreign policy..

The president appoints every head of every branch of the DOJ .

The agents and experts tell their bosses what they find out, and their bosses tell their bosses and then the Jeff sessions of the day briefs congress.




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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: face23785

The American Democratic party is basecially center right ... authoritarian and corporatist as opposed to revolutionary/anarchistic.

Classical liberal means supporting civil rights and free markets.

Modern liberal means supporting civil rights and a mixed economy.



It's center-right on a world scale. In American politics they've been moved much further left than they used to be.


Honestly, that's a matter of opinion isn't it?

Are you talking about some individual members or the Democratic Party itself?

And are you talking about the party platform or their actual measured actions?

In the last two decades, they actually support corporations, wars and increased state interference in our lives.

Pretty much textbook American right....



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: face23785

No only the intelligence committees got to see the intel.. and only the intel the bush administration wanted them to see.. and they don’t even have a top top secret clearance I don’t think..

The executive branch controls the military and foreign policy..

The president appoints every head of every branch of the DOJ .

The agents and experts tell their bosses what they find out, and their bosses tell their bosses and then the Jeff sessions of the day briefs congress.





You think wrong. A lot of Congressmen have Top Secret clearance. They got to see everything they asked for, and then they briefed other members of Congress. There's numerous books written about this time. They got to see everything Bush knew. Nothing was held back.

ETA: They all sung a different tune once the war became unpopular and they knew they could wiggle out of it because, as you pointed out, the President takes the blame for wars, even though he doesn't have the power to start them himself.

Think about it, if the administration did such a masterful job of doctoring intelligence, why did some Congressmen still vote against the war? The intelligence simply wasn't convincing enough to them, but it was to the ones who voted for the war. They weren't tricked.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: face23785

The American Democratic party is basecially center right ... authoritarian and corporatist as opposed to revolutionary/anarchistic.

Classical liberal means supporting civil rights and free markets.

Modern liberal means supporting civil rights and a mixed economy.



It's center-right on a world scale. In American politics they've been moved much further left than they used to be.


Honestly, that's a matter of opinion isn't it?

Are you talking about some individual members or the Democratic Party itself?

And are you talking about the party platform or their actual measured actions?

In the last two decades, they actually support corporations, wars and increased state interference in our lives.

Pretty much textbook American right....


That was the authoritarian streak I was referring to. Politics isn't only on a left/right spectrum.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Ok so they are internet commentors terrorists lmao..



No , Scumbags is more appropriate IMO , Prove Me Wrong Man Bun ........



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Well. Some people see evil Antifants under their bed at night, I'll give you that.



Antifa are an example of a left-wing anti-government militant group.


... one could say that when said gubmint is actually... errr... fascist? Wait! Is it? Let's skip the definitions and differentiations, like financial-corporate facism for example, and simply agree on that fact as well? I just wanna see you type it down, that's all.

Won't happen, I know, that's sad. SAD! But we could settle with an oligarchy, right?



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 06:56 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox
It´s the same in Germany, there are way more and way more violent attacks of rightwingers, but nobody wants to talk about that problem, because we are Germany and Nazi sh*t is "sh*t that doesn´t happen here anymore". Period!

And because of that US influence (everything who is not with us is a commie and communism is evil, bad and everywhere) everything that is a bit left from right was and is "communism", from their view the same like terrorism.

So if in Germany somebody from the "left" throws a balloon full of paint on the parked car of house of a rightwinger politician, it is a "staatsgefährdender Akt", a serious act of violent subversion. And the anti-"commie" propaganda starts to roll again.

If "they" find hundreds of firearms, thousands of rounds of ammo side by side with devotional Nazi objects, you will only read about a "strange weapon enthusiast" in the MSM. Nothing else.

Here in Germany they try to hide rightwinger terrorism, because "it doesn´t happen here". But if a "lefty" farts it´s an act of terrorism. That´s what politics and MSM wnat to make the people believe. But the reality looks like this, the darker red line is the rightwingers number of political motivated crimes (published in 2017):



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posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: face23785

A) If course some do.. those are the intelligence committees just like I said... if your not on a committee dealing with DOD then you don’t have a top secret clearance or if you do. They don’t give the info to anyone..

intelligence type committees are a super small fraction of the whole.. like 20 out of 300..

B) of course everyone flip flop.. bush lied and said they had WMDs and were comming for America. Then pretended like they helped alquida.. in the real world they didn’t and were not though..

Once that became apparent everyone swapped sides..


Well everyone except republicans who didn’t start admitting it was BS until trump.

The Dems have been saying Iraq was BS for a decade..

C) WHAT?!?!

How long do you think it takes to start a war?!??

The president can wage war without congress ..

Lol

D) because they were anti intervention and preemptive strike people..


If memory serves it was 8 Democrats and Ron or rand Paul who voted against it..


Plus there is the very common tactic of the Hawkish party (the gop for our life times) pretending the other side is weak on crime or terrorism, or whatever else, specifically to shame the dovish party to play ball.

And the sheeple lap it up..

Vietnam happened because the republicans pretended like Kennedy and LBJ were weak on communism.

Iraq they pretended like anyone who didn’t want to go to Iraq was anti American and weak on terrorists..

Guess what??

Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism..

Alquida was NEVER in iraq under sadam..



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:35 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

If we look at just post-9/11 Right Wing terrorists are responsible for the most number of attacks. If we discount outliers (which is pretty much only the Pulse Nightclub shooting) then Right Wing terrorists are also responsible for the most number of terror related deaths.

Of course that doesn't even account for thwarted Right Wing terror plots. Just last year an Atomwaffen sect in Florida was busted for possessing explosives they were planning on using at a nuclear power plant. If they had succeeded it probably would have been the single worst terror attack in US history. But since it doesn't fit the narrative most people ignored it.

I have to say, I find it ridiculous that so many on this site tried to defend a Nazi driving a car into a group of people claiming it wasn't a terror attack; yet now many of those same people are claiming that Leftists saying mean things on the Internet is terrorism. Some people clearly don't have their priorities straight. Either that or they actually are Nazis.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:36 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: hillbilly4rent

Hey hey hey now! As long as the "liberals" are convinced their cause is just and the other is evil then that means that can behave worse than those 'evil doers' on the other team, and none of it counts. So minorities get to be staunch racist assholes, but it CANT BE RACIST because well their cause of getting to be racist is totally justified in their minds. And so on.

Look in a mirror.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: DerBeobachter

Yea it is the same here..

Then they pretend like “the real problem” is from random people who yelled at you during dinner lol..

It is a joke that anyone who keeps up should see through.


Period conservative propaganda is just scripted for dumber and easier to propagandize people..

People who think the whole world is out to get them..


My own personal theory is that it’s about the dynamic of each side.,

Conservative = traditions >change

Liberals= change > traditions.

So inherently the right is never offering anything new.. if the system is broken and your not offering any new ideas, what does that leave??

Demogogery.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

It’s propaganda for stupid people..

Just a table spoon of deduction reasoning debunks all of conservatism..

Why??

Because there was no golden age of perfection in the past..

Any of our ancestors with the power to be monster.. were pretty much monsters lol.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:44 AM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You know something that I pride myself in? I had never heard of "Stormfront" until I saw it mentioned here on ATS a while back (like, years ago).

I also had no idea that SJWFront is a thing, either, until your comment.

I'm proud of both instances.


I don't think it is a thing that exists.

That member seems to be complaining that a horribly racist and vile site can't be posted on ATS.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Lol Antifa was people throwing rocks at 2 protests lol.. and conservative wack a doodles started pretending they were equal to the almost 2 centuries old KKK with tens of thousands of rapes, murders and assaults .. lmao
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It is conservative propaganda 101.

Fabricate a dire threat to society even if one doesn’t exist.


Lol conservatives will believe ANYTHING..

Remember “Shiria law is comming to America.. and there was only one Muslim politician lmao.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Hate crimes NEVER should have been a thing.. it’s a subjective measure that is scripted to make examples out of people rather than dealing with each crime for what it is.

If you kill someone in cold blood it shouldn’t matter why.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: Middleoftheroad



make no mistake , islamists are the rightwing for their countries


So we can attribute Hitler with the leftwing then right?

Literally the first post invokes Godwin?

I've got some news for you... have you ever heard the poem that ends with:

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Curiously, you only hear about it from this point. Do you know what the first bit was?


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

I wonder why so many people never hear the first half.

Guess it doesn't fit the narrative.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


a reply to: JoshuaCox


The Atrocities committed by "liberals" in 2016 alone are beyond counting and trump that combined figure there.

Now realize that:


And do the math.

In case you need a reminder:
Social Justice Assault Warriors TV Marathon!

Feel free to start listing terrorism they've committed in the last 25 years.

Otherwise you are full of hot air.
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posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:56 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

All economies are mixed..

No one in history has ever even attempted a 100% capitalism and only tribal societies have used 100% socialism..

We are arguing about whether you want a 60-40 split either way..

You gotta love the remnemts of the rights McCarthyism and communist scare propaganda..

They literally got the sheep to instantly hate anything they label as communism or socialism even though they don’t know the actual definition of either.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:57 AM
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If you guys were less worried about your "wings" you could end this stupid guilt by association and relax.



posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Lol..

The conservatives have been forced to resort to memes about logical fallacies because god knows they are t comming up with any new ideas..

All he did was define terrorism and somehow felt like he “nailed it”.

Lmao
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