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Debunking the present leftwing terrorist narrative.

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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: WarPig1939

CATO institute is libertarian I thought.




posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Fair enough ..

Still more than twice as many.


That's because minority on white violence is rarely counted as "hate crimes". Blacks CANT BE RACIST remember?



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Interesting, let's ignore thousands of deaths in the US alone for your silly game of cherry-pickers-finest!

At least you found "some" angle on this threat of a thread, right?



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: face23785

Interesting, let's ignore thousands of deaths in the US alone for your silly game of cherry-pickers-finest!

At least you found "some" angle on this threat of a thread, right?




It wasn't my angle, it was actually the angle of the OP. I was noting how he cherry-picked the material he was highlighting. The part I posted is literally one sentence after what he posted, in the same paragraph. He clearly left it out intentionally to try to spin a false narrative. There's been a recent surge in left-wing terrorism, according to his source.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: face23785

What kind of argument is this "left it out" spin anyway when it's against the T&Cs to provide full quotes? Don't be ridiculous.



There's been a recent surge in left-wing terrorism, according to his source.


Maybe. But. Still... 3,304 : 23. Right?



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: mekhanics




United states RightwingNUTS TERRORIST Government led by your dictator Jesus aka George Bush Murdered 1 Million+ Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, who was not responsible for the 9/11 attack.


That is one of the biggest lies I've ever read.

First reason is that 1 million figure comes from a POLL. Orb.

Second reason it's a LIE.



Third reason it's a LIE.

Iraq War Resolution

In which Kerry,Clinton, and Biden( those left wing TERRORISTS) ALL Voted Yeah for.

Hell I'll throw in CLintons Speech for free.



Deliberately spreading LIES on ATS is against Terms and Conditions.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: face23785

What kind of argument is this "left it out" spin anyway when it's against the T&Cs to provide full quotes? Don't be ridiculous.


It's against the T&C to quote the entire article. You can quote an entire paragraph. There was plenty of article he wouldn't have been quoting if he just included the next sentence, except it completely blew his narrative. And you know that. Why the dishonesty? That's ridiculous.



Maybe. But. Still... 3,304 : 23. Right?


There's no maybe. There has been a recent uptick in left-wing terrorism, according to the OP's source. That's a fact.

As for the entirety of the count, I've written about this in a few different threads on here. These lists are inherently biased because it depends on the author to determine which perpetrators are "right-wing". For example, some criteria used in the ADL source was:


incidents connected to anti-government extremists such as militia groups, sovereign citizens and tax protesters.


Are all anti-government extremists right-wing? Are all militia groups? Are all tax protesters? No. Antifa are an example of a left-wing anti-government militant group. BLM protest against government authorities, the police. Tax protesters? Really? That's exclusive to the right?

None of those positions are left or right in and of themselves. It's misleading to include them in a list of right-wing terrorism. The CATO criteria contain similar identifiers, some of which are definitely right-wing and some that are ambiguous. So I'd submit these numbers be taken with a grain of salt. In the end, have right-wing terrorists killed more people over the last 20, 30, 50 years? Probably, even accounting for the discrepancies I've noted, yes.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

They consider themselves conservative, libertarian and “classical liberal” .. all 3 terms only republicans really use..



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

They consider themselves conservative, libertarian and “classical liberal” .. all 3 terms only republicans really use..


Do you actually think only Republicans use those terms or are you trolling?
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: neo96

It wasn’t the democrats lying about an imminent threat of a wmd attack from Iraq and the desire to invade..


That was the Bush administration..

Did they argue much???

Some democrats and rand Paul did.. but only a few.

In a lot of cases they were likely as propagandized as the public.. they pulled a Muslim shell game on me for sure.

I thought this was all about 911 too because I didn’t really keep up at the time..



Whoever starts a war gets credit for it amdbush started the war.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Well , No . I Disagree . They are Terroristic in their Abnormal Thoughts and Actions , and by their Distinct Nature . PROVE me Wrong Professer ............

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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: face23785

What is every libertarian politician???

A republican..

Conservative is easy..

And the only people I hear use” classical liberal” are people like be Shapiro and Jordan Peterson who are using that term to demonize modern liberals and pretending like the present strain is something new and dangerous..


So yes I only ever see republicans/those on the right use those terms..



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:15 PM
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No ... just those wanting to maintain the present traditions or return us to some bygone era..

Because those are the definitions for right wing.

If it is a terrorist wanting to push society in a totally new direction.. then it’s a left-wing terrorist..

Because that’s the definition of left
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: neo96

It wasn’t the democrats lying about an imminent threat of a wmd attack from Iraq and the desire to invade..


That was the Bush administration..

Did they argue much???

Some democrats and rand Paul did.. but only a few.

In a lot of cases they were likely as propagandized as the public.. they pulled a Muslim shell game on me for sure.

I thought this was all about 911 too because I didn’t really keep up at the time..



Whoever starts a war gets credit for it amdbush started the war.







This is an incredible amount of spin. Congress got to see all the intelligence the Bush administration had to justify their decision to go to war. Congress approved it. Your devotion to your masters is touching, though.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Ok so they are internet commentors terrorists lmao..



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: face23785

What is every libertarian politician???

A republican..

Conservative is easy..

And the only people I hear use” classical liberal” are people like be Shapiro and Jordan Peterson who are using that term to demonize modern liberals and pretending like the present strain is something new and dangerous..


So yes I only ever see republicans/those on the right use those terms..




Some Libertarians run and caucus with Republicans for the same reason some Independents and now Socialists caucus and run as Democrats, because there's just not a lot of them. They're not the same ideology, though. Libertarian and Republican are not synonymous, nor are Democrat and Socialist or Independent. Do you really not understand this? You really think only Republicans use the term "conservative"? You really don't get the difference, a vast one, between a Republican and a Libertarian?

As for classical liberal, what you said about that is just silly. I follow a guy on Twitter who is a Democrat and uses the term "classical liberal" because he recognizes his party has gone way further left than what it used to be. I've seen liberals on here use that term, or something similar to it like "old school liberal" or "actual liberal" referring to the old liberals who still believed in freedom as opposed to the modern liberal who is just as authoritarian as "the man" they used to fight against back in the 60s and 70s.

I dunno where you're getting this faulty info from.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:28 PM
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In Reality , there are NO Liberals or Conservatives , just Individual American Citizens who are Hustling to get Ahead in Life , and Making a Buck to Pay the MAN who Owns their Ahass.............WORD to Your Great , Great , Grand Momma .............



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: face23785

No ... just those wanting to maintain the present traditions or return us to some bygone era..

Because those are the definitions for right wing.

If it is a terrorist wanting to push society in a totally new direction.. then it’s a left-wing terrorist..

Because that’s the definition of left


Again, you've got a distorted perception of what left/right is. Both left and right support forms of government control, just on different issues. Anti-government extremists can be left or right in the vague ways the author was using them, depending on the particular issue they're anti'ing against, but technically would be neither left or right. If you're completely anti-government, you're an anarchist, which is neither left or right. It's an extreme form of libertarianism, which is actually neither left or right, hence why Libertarian and Republican aren't synonymous.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:31 PM
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The American Democratic party is basecially center right ... authoritarian and corporatist as opposed to revolutionary/anarchistic.

Classical liberal means supporting civil rights and free markets.

Modern liberal means supporting civil rights and a mixed economy.


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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: face23785

The American Democratic party is basecially center right ... authoritarian and corporatist as opposed to revolutionary/anarchistic.

Classical liberal means supporting civil rights and free markets.

Modern liberal means supporting civil rights and a mixed economy.



It's center-right on a world scale. In American politics they've been moved much further left than they used to be.




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