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Let's stop the nonsense - There are only two genders

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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:01 PM
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When a person is concieved they are assigned a gender by God or by Nature, whatever you believe about such is not important in this debate.

I've heard it said that doctors incorrectly assigned a gender at birth. And even those calling for birth certificates void of the distinction between male and female.

The doctor did not make a mistake. The doctor does not arbitrarily assign a gender. The doctor merely reported the biological facts. If you go to a doctor and you are biologically a male but chose to identify as a woman should the doctor then screen you for ovarian cancer and ignore your prostate? Or should he ignore your overies and check your prostate if you are a woman who identifies as a man?

No amount of hormones or reconstructive surgery can change these biological facts.

The problem is for some reason society has decided that we must label ourselves according to our feelings and sexual orientations. Neither of these things actually change your gender. Your gender is a biological fact that cannot be changed or denied. You can only change your outward appearance which in no way actually changes your biological identity.

The problem is not the biological definition of man and woman because biologically there are only 2 genders. I am not going to comment on the rare cases where gender is not well defined at birth. They can define themselves however they choose.

The problem is the psychological and sociological definition of male and female. These are things that can actually be changed.

There are numerous personality traits and sexual orientations that can be part of the biological group male and the same can be said for the biological group female.

We need to realize in a world of 7 billion people it is ok to have 7 billion different definitions of the psychological and sociological definition of male and female.

It is far better psychologically to teach our children that a boy or girl is whatever he or she wants to be. And his or her sexual orientation is whatever he or she decides. And the same thing could be said about the clothing we chose to wear and the way we chose to express ourselves to the world.

Making or encouraging children who feel one way or another about their gender chose some outward appearance is just as bad as trying to force them to fit into the current sociological definition of male and female.

These concepts are confusing to children and likely to lead to confusion and other psychological problems. It seems to me that those who want to lable themselves based on sexual orientation are pushing those lables on children who are not even mature enough to fully understand sexual orientation or their sociological identity.

It would be much better to tell our kids to be who they are and express themselves in whatever way they feel is appropriate for them without trying define who they are or who they should be. And at an appropriate time or age we should discuss with them that sexual orientation is a choice that they should make based on how they feel and not necessarily what sociological gender roles dictate.

We should encourage our children and ourselves to make loving and lasting bonds with people who accept us for who we are. And for those inclined to be sexual to chose from your friends an appropriate partner. Not that sexuality is necessary but that it is a choice that the majority tend to make. For those who believe in commited relations as it pertains to sexuality they should chose someone like minded who accepts them for who they are.

There are only 2 genders. But there is an unlimited number of ways to define those two genders. No definition should be forced apon anyone. But our biological gender is part of who we are and we should not feel ashamed of it, nor promote the idea that anyone should be. Any label forces us into an ideology that may or may not reflect who we are or who may become.

Can we stop the nonsense and attack the situation logically instead of emotionally?




posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
When a person is concieved they are assigned a gender by God or by Nature, whatever you believe about such is not important in this debate.




nevermind


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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:09 PM
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You have science on you side.

The only argument they have are “how they feel”.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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There are two genders.
but
some people do fall in the middle of them



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73


Can we stop the nonsense and attack the situation logically instead of emotionally?



no, but thanks for the thought. Well said, and I agree, but emotion rules the day, and with this topic, emotions run high.

Sincerely,
Network Dude
SWHMADPTBO



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:12 PM
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No there are only two sets of sexual biological characteristics

Gender is not the same as biological sexual designation.

Now I would love to sit hear and waste my entire night debating this with you but honestly I just don't have the patiance or time for it.

Just know that the academic consensus disagree's with you.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
No there are only two sets of sexual biological characteristics

Gender is not the same as biological sexual designation.

Now I would love to sit hear and waste my entire night debating this with you but honestly I just don't have the patiance or time for it.

Just know that the academic consensus disagree's with you.


Whatever, play the Symantecs game, burry your head in the sand and act like you don't understand my point.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
No there are only two sets of sexual biological characteristics

Gender is not the same as biological sexual designation.

Now I would love to sit hear and waste my entire night debating this with you but honestly I just don't have the patiance or time for it.

Just know that the academic consensus disagree's with you.


Whatever play the Symantecs game burry your head in the sand and act like you don't understand my point.


Gender and biological sex are not the same thing its quite simple.

Your title is wrong.

feel free to go do some research but I think you will find that there is a difference between a persons sex and a persons gender.


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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
No there are only two sets of sexual biological characteristics

Gender is not the same as biological sexual designation.

Now I would love to sit hear and waste my entire night debating this with you but honestly I just don't have the patiance or time for it.

Just know that the academic consensus disagree's with you.


Whatever play the Symantecs game burry your head in the sand and act like you don't understand my point.


Gender and biological sex are not the same thing its quite simple.

Your title is wrong.

feel free to go do some research but I think you will find that there is a difference between a persons sex and a persons gender.


I understand your point. But it is your point that I disagree with and consider confusing, especially to children.

I am arguing against all such lables that are not based on biologic identy when it comes to gender. Because biological identity is not confusing.

Again you are making a semantics argument when you fully understand what I am saying. Troll much?


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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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The term “gender” has been used to describe sex since the 15th century. It was only in the late 60s that feminism asserted that gender pertains to societal roles. The science on the latter designation is far from settled, and I would argue it is pseudoscience.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The term “gender” has been used to describe sex since the 15th century. It was only in the late 60s that feminism asserted that gender pertains to societal roles. The science on the latter designation is far from settled, and I would argue it is pseudoscience.


Thank you for the logical reply. I was too irritated by his trolling to point that out.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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You are confusing “gender” with “sex”, and even in that you are mistaken.

There are two predominant sexes: male and female.

However, it is not as simple as that.

Although rare, it possible for a child to be born with the physical characteristics of both male and female, and to varying degrees.

Additionally, what was unknown until recent advances in genetics made it possible to identify, it also possible for a child with the physical appearance of one sex to be genetically the opposite sex.

The term “gender” has become refined to delineate the expression of psycho-emotional characteristics social constraints typically assign to individuals based on their sex.

Gender and sex are co-dependent only insofar as societies, lacking an understanding of the role brain structure and genetics play in the determination of gender identification, have conflated the two.

If one is to advocate for logical conclusions, one needs first to understand and impartially weigh the available empirical evidence.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
No there are only two sets of sexual biological characteristics

Gender is not the same as biological sexual designation.

Now I would love to sit hear and waste my entire night debating this with you but honestly I just don't have the patiance (sic) or time for it.

Just know that the academic consensus disagree's (sic) with you.


You mean the left wing consensus disagrees. You're playing word games here. This is politically correct nonsense. You have an XX chromosome or an Xy, with a small inconsequential number of people who deviate from that. XX = female. Xy = male. Get over it.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
No there are only two sets of sexual biological characteristics

Gender is not the same as biological sexual designation.

Now I would love to sit hear and waste my entire night debating this with you but honestly I just don't have the patiance or time for it.

Just know that the academic consensus disagree's with you.


Whatever play the Symantecs game burry your head in the sand and act like you don't understand my point.


Gender and biological sex are not the same thing its quite simple.

Your title is wrong.

feel free to go do some research but I think you will find that there is a difference between a persons sex and a persons gender.


I understand your point. But it is your point that I disagree with and consider confusing, especially to children.

Again you are making a semantics argument when you fully understand what I am saying. Troll much?


Well yes as a child you may find it confusing but if you do some research I promise you its not all that complicated.

Basically, biological sex is those little chromosomes, either you are xy or xx.

Gender however is not a scientific construct but a more social/psychological construct that deals with what characteristics we ascribe to individuals based on their biological sex which can essentially be unlimited. So its much more about how we define the socially constructed roles and behaviours of a given biological sex and depending on who you talk to this can be just about anything. So within that then you can have several different genders which essentially each individuals describe a different set of characterises, roles and behaviours towards the biological sexes.

I think its become quite difficult for some people to wrap their heads around because in the past the words gender and sex (biological sex) have been used interchangeably which is actually wrong because there is a distinction to be made.

It is that distinction that makes your OP flat out wrong.

Its not semantics, its just fundamentally wrong.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

Let’s stop the nonsense there is no God. So you can stop using that as an excuse to tell people what to do and how to be.
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: Bhadhidar

You are answered in the several posts above yours. I am not playing Symantecs.

Is that the only thing can comment on? Or do you have intelligence to debate the point of this thread?
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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:29 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
No there are only two sets of sexual biological characteristics

Gender is not the same as biological sexual designation.

Now I would love to sit hear and waste my entire night debating this with you but honestly I just don't have the patiance (sic) or time for it.

Just know that the academic consensus disagree's (sic) with you.


You mean the left wing consensus disagrees. You're playing word games here. This is politically correct nonsense. You have an XX chromosome or an Xy, with a small inconsequential number of people who deviate from that. XX = female. Xy = male. Get over it.


Believe that all you want but if you look up the UN definition of gender am confident you will find they disagree with you.

Actually I am fairly confident that if you spend a bit of time hanging around a few sociologists they too would probably be able to explain to you much better than I ever can why its wrong to say their are only two genders.

Two sexes, yes, two genders no.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you mind sidestepping the Semantics and actually commenting on the point of the thread? Or are you just going to keep trolling?

I disagree with your sociologist who want to lable people. They are part of the problem.


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posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Would you mind sidestepping the Semantics and actually commenting on the point of the thread. Or are you just going to keep trolling?


Ok its not semantics.

You need to understand that by you calling it semantics does not take anything away form the point that you are confusing two very different things.

The title of your thread is that there are only two genders.

Yet you have confused gender with biological sex.

Biological sex and gender are not the same thing, by continuing to make this mistake just continue to demonstrate not only that your OP is fundamentally wrong but also that you basically don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Happens every now and then just learn form it and move on.



posted on Jul, 2 2018 @ 03:34 PM
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I'm saving my rant on gender for when scientists create halfbreed animal people, and fifteen other real genders, and robot versions of all the real biological animal people and fifteen other genders.

Go science!!



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