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Rising conservative star Jordan Peterson in debate: "Athiesm leads to murder"

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posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: toysforadults

Contemplating an action is neither good or bad. If that's what you mean.
However, it is entirely possible to contemplate a bad action.


Can you tell me what all atheists consider a bad action and why

That's a direct question requiring a direct answe, knowing you can't answer that question because it can't be answered
You can't speak for all atheists




posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

I've thought about killing someone. Never raping.

Am I going to hell?



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman


You can't speak for all atheists


Then why did you ask this:


Can you tell me what all atheists consider a bad action and why



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

So you are basing all of this off of a partial answer explained through a literary character who had both a rational case for the act and decided that absent God, there was no metaphysical means to gainsay his rational case?

I don't get what your problem here is.

If the person in question has a rational reason to do the deed (commit the murder), then he might as well do it if there is no other compelling reason to prevent it ... like a metaphysical reason like a God whose moral codes prevent such an act.

Being an atheist, a perfect atheist, then everything would be done through rational agency and tangible proof. Pure logic.

What logic is there that prevents this character's rational case to commit the murder?



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Phage

so you think it's ok to fantasize about killing people?

no moral objections to that?



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: toysforadults




You keep going back to religion.
Well, it is the topic.


Is there good and bad?
Yes. The golden rule facilitates a peaceful society. That is good.


The golden rule, is that recognised by all atheists, all people, who made up the golden rule, what is it
Who enforces the golden rule, is there a punishment if it's not carried out, what makes a rule


If you believe in a afterlife, there may be a punishment.
If you do not, it is a good philosophy to adhere to.
If you don't care about it, nobody will like you and you will get what you deserve.



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman



Can you tell me what all atheists consider a bad action and why


That's easy.

Believing in God, because they think it's stoopid.



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Raggedyman




Who enforces the golden rule, is there a punishment if it's not carried out, what makes a rule

Yeah. Prison. Death, in extreme cases.


In western society based on Christian principles
What about some atheist (non religious) societies, Stalins Russia, Maos China, pol Pots Cambodia
All you are doing now is ducking and weaving
Everybody can see your argument folding except you



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Like I said. I've thought about it on occasion.
Then I didn't.

Am I going to hell?



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: toysforadults

Like I said. I've thought about it on occasion.
Then I didn't.

Am I going to hell?




You really hate Hillary, huh?



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: Phage

so thinking about killing people doesn't matter?

there is no good and bad in that?

why do you keep defaulting to criticism of the christian religion were you raised catholic and hate your parents?

is hate good or bad if not acted upon?

is hate ok



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

I have no idea what point it is you are trying to make.



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults




is hate ok

If it harms only the hater, yes.



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian




Jordan Peterson is a self proclaimed Christian evangelical
I have been both watching Jordan and paying close attention to what he says and hasn't said . Please provide a link to where exactly he said that . tks



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: Raggedyman



Can you tell me what all atheists consider a bad action and why


That's easy.

Believing in God, because they think it's stoopid.


Really, I know that you are wrong, I know many atheists have a different opinion

See, a childish argument like yours has to become ever more childish
It must do because that's all you have

Should I call all atheists stoopid, become like you or admit I know many logical and intelligent atheists who have a valid reason for their beliefs

I think a stupid person is a person who doesn't try to understand and accept another belief, no matter how stupid they are



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: Phage

so i guess you can see why so many would see that the moral relativist ideology is such a slippery slope then right?



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: Raggedyman



Can you tell me what all atheists consider a bad action and why


That's easy.

Believing in God, because they think it's stoopid.


Really, I know that you are wrong, I know many atheists have a different opinion

See, a childish argument like yours has to become ever more childish
It must do because that's all you have

Should I call all atheists stoopid, become like you or admit I know many logical and intelligent atheists who have a valid reason for their beliefs

I think a stupid person is a person who doesn't try to understand and accept another belief, no matter how stupid they are


It is stupid to not treat others like you would like to treated.



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Morals are a construct which facilitate societal interactions. No god is required to provide them.

Be nice to me and I'll be nice to you. Logical, no?

You have a sexual preference for those of your sex. You must be banished.

You deny our god. You must be punished.

edit on 6/30/2018 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

The key to some of your questions is easy.

Most threads of this nature are purely knee jerk reactions, its basically being TOO LITERAL.

In other words, the OPs piece is designed to push the narrative that a Repub, even a prominent one, would allude to equating Death and Atheist, thereby, setting the tone for an audience that may or may not know any better.

This is inherently the same tactic used by MSM of all things. The good'ole twist and sell.



posted on Jun, 30 2018 @ 10:31 PM
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originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: toysforadults

Like I said. I've thought about it on occasion.
Then I didn't.

Am I going to hell?




You really hate Hillary, huh?
lmfao, nice 😎



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