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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Raggedyman
Does being religious keep you from breaking rules? Do religious people kill people? I know you like to bring up Stalin, Mao, and pol pot, Because they are atheists who had people killed, But plenty of religious people killed as well.
So how do you explain that?
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: Raggedyman
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But Stalin was an atheist who killed millions, so was Mao. Neither believed what you believed, so based on their and your atheism, why do you think they did the wrong thing
See I can sy that I believe murder is wrong based on what Jesus taught, what do you base your beliefs on murder being wrong, why should other atheists agree with your opinion
more stalin
hahahahahahhaahh
I am sorry, does Stalin cause you a little bit of an issue?
I plan to use Stalin a whole lot more, see, Stalin didn't have a similar moral compass to a lot of atheists we see in the West nor Mao or Pol Pot
Lots more Stalin
There have been both good and bad parts of Native history that produced a peace agreement . One that even the USA adopted parts and concepts to . Being good requires effort and commitment to base principals people can agree on. Where they disagree is where they agree to disagree and cause no harm .
If humans almost all died off, and we all had to start over again, kill or be killed, what a mess we'd be left with......it'd likely take generations to figure out cooperating with each other again.
originally posted by: snowspirit
a reply to: Raggedyman
But Stalin was an atheist who killed millions, so was Mao. Neither believed what you believed, so based on their and your atheism, why do you think they did the wrong thing
I don't equate the killing they did with atheism, because there's enough people of various religious beliefs, that kill indiscriminately as well.
As well as people directly involved with the church, that have done things with children, that should never have happened.
I really don't know where morals come from, I guess, because there are too many Christians and people of other religious affiliations that don't seem to have morals or ethics.
And what is that Clearly defined foundation that Christians Use to guide their moral compass.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Raggedyman
Does being religious keep you from breaking rules? Do religious people kill people? I know you like to bring up Stalin, Mao, and pol pot, Because they are atheists who had people killed, But plenty of religious people killed as well.
So how do you explain that?
Religious people are not nice, that's a fact
how do I explain it, because religious people are morally corrupt, broken, selfish, greedy, horrible, whatever.
I have never denied that Christians are morally corrupt, have I?
All I am saying is that Christianity has a clearly defined moral foundation
I didn't say Christians adhered to it
You are over reaching Woodie
All I am saying is Christianity has a very clearly defined set of moral standards
originally posted by: Raggedyman
Christians, good bad indifferent, succeed or fail, have a clear and defined moral foundation
Do atheists and if they do, what and where do they come from
The question is still out there
originally posted by: Woodcarver
And what is that Clearly defined foundation that Christians Use to guide their moral compass.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Raggedyman
Does being religious keep you from breaking rules? Do religious people kill people? I know you like to bring up Stalin, Mao, and pol pot, Because they are atheists who had people killed, But plenty of religious people killed as well.
So how do you explain that?
Religious people are not nice, that's a fact
how do I explain it, because religious people are morally corrupt, broken, selfish, greedy, horrible, whatever.
I have never denied that Christians are morally corrupt, have I?
All I am saying is that Christianity has a clearly defined moral foundation
I didn't say Christians adhered to it
You are over reaching Woodie
All I am saying is Christianity has a very clearly defined set of moral standards
It’s my opinion that the Bible is not clearly defined whatsoever. Whatever rule you want to pick from the Bible, I can find a quote that contradicts it. Which is why there are over 30,000 denominations.
My point being, that Christians don’t necessarily get their moral compass from the Bible. They get it from society. They get it from watching the interactions of others, and evaluating which actions equate to good and bad.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
And what is that Clearly defined foundation that Christians Use to guide their moral compass.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Raggedyman
Does being religious keep you from breaking rules? Do religious people kill people? I know you like to bring up Stalin, Mao, and pol pot, Because they are atheists who had people killed, But plenty of religious people killed as well.
So how do you explain that?
Religious people are not nice, that's a fact
how do I explain it, because religious people are morally corrupt, broken, selfish, greedy, horrible, whatever.
I have never denied that Christians are morally corrupt, have I?
All I am saying is that Christianity has a clearly defined moral foundation
I didn't say Christians adhered to it
You are over reaching Woodie
All I am saying is Christianity has a very clearly defined set of moral standards
It’s my opinion that the Bible is not clearly defined whatsoever. Whatever rule you want to pick from the Bible, I can find a quote that contradicts it. Which is why there are over 30,000 denominations.
My point being, that Christians don’t necessarily get their moral compass from the Bible. They get it from society. They get it from watching the interactions of others, and evaluating which actions equate to good and bad.
Two rules
Love God, love each other
Argue away
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: Raggedyman
Christians, good bad indifferent, succeed or fail, have a clear and defined moral foundation
Do atheists and if they do, what and where do they come from
The question is still out there
I don’t think there is a clear and defined moral foundation for Christians. I hear Christians debating all the time about different interpretations of certain Bible passages. Christians have disagreed on these interpretations for centuries.
If you are saying that Christians have a book and atheists don’t, then you would be correct. If you are saying that because people are atheists and because they don’t have a book, therefore they don’t have a moral foundation, you would not be correct.
I think it is hardwired in the brain to want to successfully cohabitate with others, and in order to do that, the natural instinct is to get along and follow some sort of agreement to not take from, harm, or kill others that one is trying to successfully cohabitate with. Are there people who disregard that hardwiring, or who had that hardwiring messed with by psychological/environmental factors? Certainly. It has nothing to do with having a book or not.
Most if not all the Christians I know would not . Maybe you are failing to make the distinction between a real Christian and a false Christian . Both exist and both do not agree as well as unlearned Christians .
That’s your interpretation. Other Christians would argue vehemently against that.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
And what is that Clearly defined foundation that Christians Use to guide their moral compass.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Raggedyman
Does being religious keep you from breaking rules? Do religious people kill people? I know you like to bring up Stalin, Mao, and pol pot, Because they are atheists who had people killed, But plenty of religious people killed as well.
So how do you explain that?
Religious people are not nice, that's a fact
how do I explain it, because religious people are morally corrupt, broken, selfish, greedy, horrible, whatever.
I have never denied that Christians are morally corrupt, have I?
All I am saying is that Christianity has a clearly defined moral foundation
I didn't say Christians adhered to it
You are over reaching Woodie
All I am saying is Christianity has a very clearly defined set of moral standards
It’s my opinion that the Bible is not clearly defined whatsoever. Whatever rule you want to pick from the Bible, I can find a quote that contradicts it. Which is why there are over 30,000 denominations.
My point being, that Christians don’t necessarily get their moral compass from the Bible. They get it from society. They get it from watching the interactions of others, and evaluating which actions equate to good and bad.
Two rules
Love God, love each other
Argue away
That’s your interpretation. Other Christians would argue vehemently against that.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: snowspirit
a reply to: Raggedyman
But Stalin was an atheist who killed millions, so was Mao. Neither believed what you believed, so based on their and your atheism, why do you think they did the wrong thing
I don't equate the killing they did with atheism, because there's enough people of various religious beliefs, that kill indiscriminately as well.
As well as people directly involved with the church, that have done things with children, that should never have happened.
I really don't know where morals come from, I guess, because there are too many Christians and people of other religious affiliations that don't seem to have morals or ethics.
It's irrelevant what you think
What is relevant is that they were atheists and they killed and they had no moral compunction not to, I believe
If they had a moral standard, where did they get it from
I personally don't think atheism was their motivation, but their atheism didn't teach them killing millions was wrong either, or did it
secular society is based on laws which are created by a process set forth in our Constitution.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Woodcarver
Well if all the pharmacists were that stupid then somebody should set up a pharmacy and make squillions$$$. Free market buddy, get with the times, that or order of Amazon or eBay or whatever. It's 2018, where are you living
Where I live secular society says Cbd oil is illegal, I still get it
What's wrong with you
I don't want things withheld from me but secular society thinks otherwise
My choice, deal with it or winge
The pharmacist decides based on government policy, not religion
I want everyone to be treated fairly as well but I am not that naive, I know there are real issues and we have to work with them
I don't think there is any difference between secular society and forced beliefs and Christianity and forced beliefs, we disagree
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
And what is that Clearly defined foundation that Christians Use to guide their moral compass.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Raggedyman
Does being religious keep you from breaking rules? Do religious people kill people? I know you like to bring up Stalin, Mao, and pol pot, Because they are atheists who had people killed, But plenty of religious people killed as well.
So how do you explain that?
Religious people are not nice, that's a fact
how do I explain it, because religious people are morally corrupt, broken, selfish, greedy, horrible, whatever.
I have never denied that Christians are morally corrupt, have I?
All I am saying is that Christianity has a clearly defined moral foundation
I didn't say Christians adhered to it
You are over reaching Woodie
All I am saying is Christianity has a very clearly defined set of moral standards
It’s my opinion that the Bible is not clearly defined whatsoever. Whatever rule you want to pick from the Bible, I can find a quote that contradicts it. Which is why there are over 30,000 denominations.
My point being, that Christians don’t necessarily get their moral compass from the Bible. They get it from society. They get it from watching the interactions of others, and evaluating which actions equate to good and bad.
Two rules
Love God, love each other
Argue away
That’s your interpretation. Other Christians would argue vehemently against that.
No
They would have to argue with the bible not me
John 13 34/35
It's what the bible teaches
The declaration of human rights gets its power from God and not man made govt. Weather religious or not we both should agree that keeping religion and state is a separate matter and should remain so.
That seems like a huge difference to me.
There is no such thing as an atheist moral foundation. The word atheist has nothing to do with morality. You are thinking of humanitarianism.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: Raggedyman
Christians, good bad indifferent, succeed or fail, have a clear and defined moral foundation
Do atheists and if they do, what and where do they come from
The question is still out there
I don’t think there is a clear and defined moral foundation for Christians. I hear Christians debating all the time about different interpretations of certain Bible passages. Christians have disagreed on these interpretations for centuries.
If you are saying that Christians have a book and atheists don’t, then you would be correct. If you are saying that because people are atheists and because they don’t have a book, therefore they don’t have a moral foundation, you would not be correct.
I think it is hardwired in the brain to want to successfully cohabitate with others, and in order to do that, the natural instinct is to get along and follow some sort of agreement to not take from, harm, or kill others that one is trying to successfully cohabitate with. Are there people who disregard that hardwiring, or who had that hardwiring messed with by psychological/environmental factors? Certainly. It has nothing to do with having a book or not.
So what is the atheist moral foundation
What is it, don't just say I am incorrect, please explain
Saying it's hard wired, sounds like woo, like religion, like faith
It's not scientific, it's belief
But irrespective, do all atheists believe the same things, evidence
You havnt established hardwiring to say it can be disregarded
But the bible states the brain is hard wired by God.
But then it's just a belief of religion so your point is a religious view then