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Why are American people so hung up on women having abortions ?

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posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: JBurns




Once that life is given the opportunity to exist, like all Americans, he/she will (eventually) be responsible for their own success. Until the age of majority is reached, that job is up to the parents.


Americans? What if some foreigner gets pregnant while here, her fetus is American?




posted on Jul, 3 2018 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

When does anyone's rights begin?

If you say "upon birth" then how do 3-4 inches of flesh and blood restrict a person's rights?
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posted on Jul, 4 2018 @ 03:42 AM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu
a reply to: eletheia

When does anyone's rights begin?



Good question.....In the first instance I would say when *someone* was in the

position of having rights, which with a fetus is totally dependent on the host!!


And then where are the rights of the woman/host? does she not have the right

not to carry the fetus? ..... where are her rights?.


I personally am not a great believer in *rights* I dont think they come

automatically, I believe they have to be earned.


When someone screams "I have a right" they forget there is usually someone else

at the other end of their rights who has rights too.




If you say "upon birth" then how do 3-4 inches of flesh and blood restrict a person's rights?



Before breathing for themselves they are capable of life but as yet are not alive.



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edit on 4-7-2018 by eletheia because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2018 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
a reply to: eletheia

When does anyone's rights begin?



Good question.....In the first instance I would say when *someone* was in the

position of having rights, which with a fetus is totally dependent on the host!!


And then where are the rights of the woman/host? does she not have the right

not to carry the fetus? ..... where are her rights?.


I personally am not a great believer in *rights* I dont think they come

automatically, I believe they have to be earned.


When someone screams "I have a right" they forget there is usually someone else

at the other end of their rights who has rights too.




If you say "upon birth" then how do 3-4 inches of flesh and blood restrict a person's rights?



Before breathing for themselves they are capable of life but as yet are not alive.




They are not alive while in the womb and not breathing. Huh.

So, let's go with your "theory".

Child is born. Breathing on it's own. Now, it's alive? Huh.

Child is thoroughly needing fed. Bathed. Fed. It can not do this or live on it's own for several years. They are still, just now alive, in need of being cared for, for many years to come.

So, according to your logic, since this child is still 100% dependent on the "host" for its entire existence, according to your logic, the host may still be allowed to terminate this life?

And then this question you posed.

"And then where are the rights of the woman/host? does she not have the right not to carry the fetus?"

The woman has a right over HER body. The human inside her, is not her body, it is the body of a fully independent human being.

If the pregnancy terminates on its own, nothing can be done about it. If anyone terminates it purposely, we call that murder.

Take the pill, or use a condom. Stop the fetus from being formed in the first place.

Fred..



posted on Jul, 14 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: fredrodgers1960




Child is thoroughly needing fed. Bathed. Fed. It can not do this or live on it's own for several years. They are still, just now alive, in need of being cared for, for many years to come.


but if the mother dies, another is usually willing to take over and the child lives...
this is also true if the baby is far enough along to be viable and healthcare workers can intervene to deliver the baby soon enough.

it isn't true for younger fetus'...
and, just like situations surrounding the mother can affect the fetus, the fetus and the pregnancy can affect the mother in negative ways. if it was as simple as you say, that the fetus is it's own separate body, then the medications that the women needs to take wouldn't be able to adversely affect the fetus, and the stress that the fetus is placing on her compromised body wouldn't adversely affect vital organs like liver or kidneys, would it? it's not though, because it isn't as yet a separate biological unit and is depending on the mother's biological functions for it's survival... and as of now, we have not found a method to separate the fetus that hasn't reached that point of viability from their mother and provide a substitute for those biological functions that the fetus still lacks.



posted on Jul, 14 2018 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: fredrodgers1960




Child is thoroughly needing fed. Bathed. Fed. It can not do this or live on it's own for several years. They are still, just now alive, in need of being cared for, for many years to come.


but if the mother dies, another is usually willing to take over and the child lives...
this is also true if the baby is far enough along to be viable and healthcare workers can intervene to deliver the baby soon enough.

it isn't true for younger fetus'...
and, just like situations surrounding the mother can affect the fetus, the fetus and the pregnancy can affect the mother in negative ways. if it was as simple as you say, that the fetus is it's own separate body, then the medications that the women needs to take wouldn't be able to adversely affect the fetus, and the stress that the fetus is placing on her compromised body wouldn't adversely affect vital organs like liver or kidneys, would it? it's not though, because it isn't as yet a separate biological unit and is depending on the mother's biological functions for it's survival... and as of now, we have not found a method to separate the fetus that hasn't reached that point of viability from their mother and provide a substitute for those biological functions that the fetus still lacks.




The fetus, is a unique human being. You can sugar coat it as much as you like, and in your mind, try to justify killing it, but no matter how you slice this up, you are still killing a unique human being.

Maybe your conscience will "feel better" about it, but the result is still the same.

One or more dead babies.

Fred..



posted on Jul, 14 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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and, as much as trying to change laws in an attempt to force every women to ease your conscious...
sooner or later, you will be bound to realize that you are doing women a grave injustice by doing so!!!
you have two living beings sharing biological systems, sometimes, not too harmoniously, and that woman also has rights...
pregnancy always comes with a bit of discomfort for the women, usually that discomfort is bearable, but sometimes it really isn't. most women can go through the nine months of pregnancy without altering their lifestyle much at all, but some might have to make some pretty drastic (and costly) changes. every pregnancy will leave the body with some permanent changes, but for some, the damage might be rather debilitating.... for the rest of their lives. and, just like you have right to lifers who believe that they should have the right to abort whenever, for whatever reason...
you have some pro-lifers and religious people who feel there is never a good reason, no matter what.
no matter if the women is in the process of miscarrying and the fetus is gonna die regardless..
no matter if it's an ectropic pregnancy.... then they will just take a knife to the women's body and remove a portion of it after the fetus has compromised it's integrity, reducing the risk of them being able to get pregnant again.
c-sections have been forced on ill women, even though their doctor made it clear that there was a good possibility that she would die... and guess what... she did die, then shortly after... so didn't the fetus.
women have been left to suffer in pain when miscarrying while doctors waited for either the fetus's heartbeat to stop or the women's health becomes so compromised she is risking death.... in other countries, some have died..
none have in this country, yet, but still, the practice has extended some hospital stays while they battled an infection that wouldn't have been present if action was taken earlier and left permanent damage in some cases. it seems that for some, the rights of a doomed fetus is held above the mother's right to life and good health!!

every person has a right to equal protection under the law, they have the right to protect their own life, their own health. they have the right to privacy when it comes to their medical care and they have the right to decide just what medical care they receive and to refuse care if they don't think it's the proper course for them. they have the right to liberty and even that one has been denied pregnant women from time to time... for the sake of the fetus of course!!! they've been thrown in jail after miscarrying.
so, I have to ask, just where is the line drawn because it seems to be that as of now... some women are losing all rights when they become pregnant!



posted on Jul, 14 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: fredrodgers1960

and, as much as trying to change laws in an attempt to force every women to ease your conscious...
sooner or later, you will be bound to realize that you are doing women a grave injustice by doing so!!!
you have two living beings sharing biological systems, sometimes, not too harmoniously, and that woman also has rights...
pregnancy always comes with a bit of discomfort for the women, usually that discomfort is bearable, but sometimes it really isn't. most women can go through the nine months of pregnancy without altering their lifestyle much at all, but some might have to make some pretty drastic (and costly) changes. every pregnancy will leave the body with some permanent changes, but for some, the damage might be rather debilitating.... for the rest of their lives. and, just like you have right to lifers who believe that they should have the right to abort whenever, for whatever reason...
you have some pro-lifers and religious people who feel there is never a good reason, no matter what.
no matter if the women is in the process of miscarrying and the fetus is gonna die regardless..
no matter if it's an ectropic pregnancy.... then they will just take a knife to the women's body and remove a portion of it after the fetus has compromised it's integrity, reducing the risk of them being able to get pregnant again.
c-sections have been forced on ill women, even though their doctor made it clear that there was a good possibility that she would die... and guess what... she did die, then shortly after... so didn't the fetus.
women have been left to suffer in pain when miscarrying while doctors waited for either the fetus's heartbeat to stop or the women's health becomes so compromised she is risking death.... in other countries, some have died..
none have in this country, yet, but still, the practice has extended some hospital stays while they battled an infection that wouldn't have been present if action was taken earlier and left permanent damage in some cases. it seems that for some, the rights of a doomed fetus is held above the mother's right to life and good health!!

every person has a right to equal protection under the law, they have the right to protect their own life, their own health. they have the right to privacy when it comes to their medical care and they have the right to decide just what medical care they receive and to refuse care if they don't think it's the proper course for them. they have the right to liberty and even that one has been denied pregnant women from time to time... for the sake of the fetus of course!!! they've been thrown in jail after miscarrying.
so, I have to ask, just where is the line drawn because it seems to be that as of now... some women are losing all rights when they become pregnant!




"to ease your conscious..."

Mine is fine. I've never murdered a person before.

If you do the deed, take the pill, and stop the human from being formed in the first place.

Fred..




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