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Why are American people so hung up on women having abortions ?

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posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 07:27 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

So when technology increases to the point they can survive at day 1 they are human at day 1? Sounds arbitrary to me.




posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: scraedtosleep

It's proven scientific fact those cells are a living organism with unique DNA. There is no debate those cells are human and constitute a living organism, it's settled science. Anything else is arbitrary.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

I seem to recall another life involved you're forgetting. I believe the 2 should discuss the abortion but ultimately it is the woman's body and her choice. But there is a term for ending a human life without just cause, maybe you can help remember what that's called.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 07:37 AM
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a reply to: bastion

Still waiting for you to respond to my post back on page 12, or you can keep avoiding difficult questions.

Is the fetus alive? If so what species of life is it? Is it a unique organism?



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I ignored it because it made no sense. Someone in a coma isn't inside a woman's uterus treating both as the same doesn't work. It's life but it doesn't become alive until the air sacs are devloped and CNS is intact (the point where law and science considers a human foetus to a human being). Same species, different genotype, unique organism (but totally reliant on the mother/genetic viability etc...for survival).

I'm after logical/detailed discussion about why people think they have the right to restrict others, as many people do whether genius or idiot, as I don't understand it. I'm not interested in an argument on strawmen and reducing to the absurd.
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ETA: Personally don't have kids but the arrival of my nephew has made has altered what personal choice would be if my partner was pregnant (and agreed obvs) - I imagine the instinct is even stronger in parents.
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posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:29 AM
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Is a woman's body her property or not?



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Is a woman's body her property or not?


Is the natural reason for consensual intercourses to create new individuals or not? I think it takes the contribution of sperm to create a child? Is there not more progressive and responsible forms of birth control than a method dating back thousands of years?
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posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

apparently not.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:44 AM
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18 pages of misrepresentation of the pro-life position. Big shocker.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Is a woman's body her property or not?


So women are now property?



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Is a woman's body her property or not?


Is the natural reason for consensual intercourses to create new individuals or not? I think it takes the contribution of sperm to create a child? Is there not more progressive and responsible forms of birth control than a method dating back thousands of years?


Interestingly, those who are against a woman's right to choose also tend to be against making birth control readily available as well as education about basic sexual biology. Conversely, but equally interesting, is that these people are for war and the death penalty, neither of which can be said to be "pro-life." Finally, the same people again tend to be against social programs that help care for and financially support children (you know, the actual small people who can live and breathe and walk around on their own?)

Linking a woman's right to determination with intercourse speaks to the real problem here, centuries of societies that did not consider her body her own property, but instead, the property of another.

At least we can be honest about that ... as the fundamental issue here is certainly not concern for life.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Is a woman's body her property or not?


So women are now property?


Our bodies are the fundamental thing we own, man or woman.

Next?



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: bastion

So your definition is now you can't be a human inside a uterus? Why not?

How is it alive but not life?

Your arguments are emotional, zero logic.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

So then the fetus owns it's body. Are we getting consent?



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm all for birth control. Confusing the two is a logical fallacy. Birth control is legal and available.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Gryphon66

So then the fetus owns it's body. Are we getting consent?


A fetus is not yet a person and cannot own anything.

Until viability, a human fetus is part of a human body ... the mother's.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm all for birth control. Confusing the two is a logical fallacy. Birth control is legal and available.


Are you confusing birth control and abortion?

I'm not.

Adequate birth control properly utilized will generally remove the need for abortion, though.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Is a woman's body her property or not?


So women are now property?


Our bodies are the fundamental thing we own, man or woman.

Next?


You are the one that poorly equated self control/rule to property. I don’t think of my body as property? Any more poorly worded arguments?
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posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Is a woman's body her property or not?


So women are now property?


Our bodies are the fundamental thing we own, man or woman.

Next?


You are the one that poorly equated self control/rule to property. I don’t think of my body as property? Any more poorly worded arguments?


LOL ... you haven't read John Locke I take it? No matter.



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sookiechacha

That's arbitrary wording, not science. Science says that fetus is a human life, it's not debatable. It's a fact.



It is a *potential* life as there is no possibility of its

existence outside of its human incubator. Fact.



Nope. It's the termination of a gestating embryo/fetus mid development.


So a *potential life*




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