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originally posted by: Madrusa
a reply to: Isurrender73
Exactly if i relate the origins of Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry to this that doesn't make me anti-European, i am highly critical of both, it's a question of doctrine, indeed the danger is that if you aren't aware of the history and schism within Judaism then it is not possible to differentiate and Orthodox Jews will be equated with that which they are actually against.
The ultimate origins of such sects considerably pre-date Hellenism.
Of course i understand your belief system from the posts you make and lots of them, isn't that the point of the exercise to put forward differing beliefs and opinions?
As i've stated above they rejected the Talmud and conventional religious practise but the Zohar their religious work is a commentary on the Torah so they were hardly atheistic, the concern of the Zohar is with Light, the literal translation, in the same sense as the Age of Enlightenment and those philosophers that expanded upon Doctrines of Light were of a particular tradition.
As mentioned in the OP I consider all political movements derivative of religious and esoteric undercurrents, political Islam is hardly going to be an exception and neither was the Third Reich, what motive then would require me to help the Palestinians form a viable modern state, which religion?
As if following the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Sabbateans reason that it would be easier to accelerate the flow of chaos to utterly destroy civilization than to perfect it. Once they debauch the Judeo-Christian faiths and ruin the world, God would be forced to start the Messianic Age to save it.
“And of all illumination which human reason can give, none is comparable to the discovery of what we are, our nature, our obligations, what happiness we are capable of, and what are the means of attaining it.” -- Adam Weishaupt
“This is the great object held out by this association; and the means of attaining it is illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason which will dispell the clouds of superstition and of prejudice.” -- Adam Weishaupt
“When man lives under government, he is fallen, his worth is gone, and his nature tarnished.” -- Adam Weishaupt
Again if your belief system is not out there to be understood what have you actually been posting?
You need to research further on Kabbalistic influence on the likes of Marx and Freud, it's there if you know what to look for.
The Holiness of Sin
Modernism is simply the absence of previous culture, i'm pleased you think you know my belief system though.
In the context of his day did he have something other then Govt. in mind ? Just listening to a scholar on the subject of kings and how they used a tree imagery in ancient time . The Pope wears the triple crown for a reason . Its a old idea but one where he makes himself to be god and not just a representative imo
See that last one, is that really bad?
I haven't looked into him much at all . In short he was a carrier of documents for tptb of his day . imo
did Weishaupt follow a god self philosophy or an illumination philosophy?
When Frank appeared in Poland he became the central figure for the vast majority of the Shabbateans, particularly those in Galicia, the Ukraine, and Hungary. It would appear that most of the Moravian Shabbateans also acknowledged his leadership. An inquiry of the bet din in Satanow had to a large extent uncovered the Shabbatean network of Barukhyah's followers, which had existed underground in Podolia. A considerable portion of the Satanow findings was published by Jacob Emden. From this it is clear that the suspicions concerning the antinomian character of the sect were justified, and that "the believers," who conformed outwardly to Jewish legal precepts, did in fact transgress them, including the sexual prohibitions of the Torah, with the stated intention of upholding the higher form of the Torah, which they called Torah de-azilut ("the Torah of emanation"), meaning the spiritual Torah in contradistinction to the actual Torah of the halakhah, which was called the Torah de-beri'ah ("the Torah of creation"). The results of the inquiry were laid before a rabbinical assembly at Brody in June 1756, and confirmed at a session of the Council of the Four Lands held in Konstantynow in September. In Brody a herem ("excommunication") was proclaimed against the members of the sect, which laid them open to persecution and also sought to restrict study of the Zohar and Kabbalah before a certain age (40 years in the case of Isaac Luria's writings).