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originally posted by: WalterTilley
a reply to: JBurns
I am just wondering if there would be any ramifications back on said PO if the kid got away during the chase and then took some family hostage or killed more people after getting away?
How would people here feel if he got away and killed one of their family?
It is a slippery slope no doubt
How would people here feel if he got away and killed one of their family?
originally posted by: WalterTilley
a reply to: JBurns
I am just wondering if there would be any ramifications back on said PO if the kid got away during the chase and then took some family hostage or killed more people after getting away?
How would people here feel if he got away and killed one of their family?
It is a slippery slope no doubt
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Lab4Us
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: toysforadults
Im retired, and never shot anybody so I do not think I need the lecture. I don't disagree with you. But this isn't a case of judge/jury/executioner at least doesn't look like it to me
To be honest, this is not a call any new officer (Regardless of their past work experience) should have been responding to. Where was Rosfield's FTO?
There's clearly a problem in the culture of police departments in this country that you think it's your job to kill everyone who has been determined by you to be unsafe for the community.
I dont think that. Who thinks that? No one I know. But PA law does allow an exceptionally grave danger to be stopped by police or members of the community (if they are assisting an LEO or making a private arrest). One such condition is an armed felon fleeing
www.legis.state.pa.us...
PA code above covers LEO use of force in making arrest, private citizen use of force in making arrest, use of force in preventing escape, use of force to prevent a crime. The specific language in each section under title 18 varies, but the theme is all the same: stopping a danger to the community through use of force if absolutely required
I just love these people. They're actually arguing that the right to due process means the police can't shoot someone because their case hasn't been adjudicated yet. Imagine the implications of that. Active shooter? Nope, can't shoot him, he hasn't been given due process yet. Raping a kid with a medieval mace? Nope, can't shoot him. Hasn't been given due process yet.
Think these things through folks.
Incorrect. Had the officer that killed Rose seen Rose shoot someone, obviously good shoot for sure. Had Rose had a gun in his hand when the officer shot him, obviously good shoot. In your two examples, perps have weapons employed, harming others, so obviously good shoots. There is a difference.
Fair enough, my example was over the top. The point, though, is that the right to due process doesn't render police impotent to act until you've been tried and convicted. That's a red herring. Once we've established that, the next step is to determine the criteria under which an officer can justifiably shoot someone. And being in the physical act of harming someone is not the only instance in which an officer is justified in shooting you. The officer in this case had reasonable suspicion that the perp posed a danger to the public. It's a justified shooting.
Don't do drive-bys and run when you get stopped by the police.
Are these seriously the type of scum the anti-cop brigade want to rally behind?
originally posted by: notsure1
originally posted by: WalterTilley
a reply to: JBurns
I am just wondering if there would be any ramifications back on said PO if the kid got away during the chase and then took some family hostage or killed more people after getting away?
How would people here feel if he got away and killed one of their family?
It is a slippery slope no doubt
You cant play what ifs.
What if the cop shoots and misses and kills a kid? What if game does not work.
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: notsure1
originally posted by: WalterTilley
a reply to: JBurns
I am just wondering if there would be any ramifications back on said PO if the kid got away during the chase and then took some family hostage or killed more people after getting away?
How would people here feel if he got away and killed one of their family?
It is a slippery slope no doubt
You cant play what ifs.
What if the cop shoots and misses and kills a kid? What if game does not work.
No need to play what ifs... the deceased was invoved in a drive by shooting moments before. He or his cohort had shot a person in that shooting.
I am waiting to see GSR tests from the hands of Rose.
That, along with fingerprint analysis and ballistics reports from the two recovered handguns and the ballistics report on bullets from the driveby shooting victim.
Detectives who interviewed Rosfeld, alongside his attorney, said they noticed an inconsistency in his account of what happened, according to the affidavit.
The officer allegedly told detectives that when the front-seat passenger emerged from the vehicle, the individual turned his hand toward Rosfeld, who saw something dark that he perceived as a gun. This caused him to fire his weapon, according to the affidavit.
But when detectives asked Rosfeld to go over the sequence of events again, the officer allegedly told them he didn't see a gun when the passenger exited the vehicle and ran. Detectives confronted him with the inconsistency, and Rosfeld allegedly stated that he saw something in the passenger's hand but was unsure what it was.
Rosfeld also allegedly stated that he was unsure whether the individual who had his hand pointed at him was still pointing at him when he fired the shots, according to the affidavit.
The decedent had just shot another human being and was actively fleeing (both circumstances permit deadly force under PA law)
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: odzeandennz
You think this young man's inability to specifically recall certain events on command makes him guilty of criminal homicide? It seems to me that Antwon Rose was likely trying to ditch the magazine, and could've been reaching in his pockets to do just that. That could have been when he misidentified the magazine as a firearm (which 2/3 turned out to be in Rose's vehicle). If there is inconsistencies, traumatic events such as this could certainly explain them. If not, then I'm sure that will come out with the body-cam footage assuming they have them
but the leo may have simply killed the punks to stop him from running.