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originally posted by: The GUT
Btw, serious question here: Did you know that JFK and Khrushchev had a backchannel so as to avoid their crazy deep state advisors and that backchannel was responsible for deescalating the missile crisis?
On Saturday evening, after a day of tense discussions within the "ExComm" or Executive Committee of senior advisers, President Kennedy decided on a dual strategy—a formal letter to Khrushchev accepting the implicit terms of his October 26 letter (a U.S. non-invasion pledge in exchange for the verifiable departure of Soviet nuclear missiles), coupled with private assurances to Khrushchev that the United States would speedily take out its missiles from Turkey, but only on the basis of a secret understanding, not as an open agreement that would appear to the public, and to NATO allies, as a concession to blackmail. The U.S. president elected to transmit this sensitive message through his brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who met in his office at the Justice Department with Soviet ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin.
You mean uranium production capability? Yes, I did know that.
Did you know that the Trump admin has never given control of significant amounts of uranium to Russia?
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: DJW001
Oh here Snookims have a star .
Interesting how the first two responses, within minutes, take Russia's perspective and immediately get, what, four or five stars? In less time than it takes to view the video!
Why not give me a start flag, luv? That would help.this thread float to the top of thenfeed?
originally posted by: Lab4Us
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: DJW001
Oh here Snookims have a star .
Interesting how the first two responses, within minutes, take Russia's perspective and immediately get, what, four or five stars? In less time than it takes to view the video!
Why not give me a start flag, luv? That would help.this thread float to the top of thenfeed?
Explains a lot of why you don’t seem to be taken seriously here a lot of times. You are actually soliciting to get stars and flags! First I’ve seen that.
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: Lab4Us
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: DJW001
Oh here Snookims have a star .
Interesting how the first two responses, within minutes, take Russia's perspective and immediately get, what, four or five stars? In less time than it takes to view the video!
Why not give me a start flag, luv? That would help.this thread float to the top of thenfeed?
Explains a lot of why you don’t seem to be taken seriously here a lot of times. You are actually soliciting to get stars and flags! First I’ve seen that.
Nice attempt at a contrafactual. Pointing out thread gainging is not "soliciting stars and flags."
originally posted by: angeldoll
I would like to hear Putin sing a little song to Trump.
It might begin with
"If you want my money
and you think I'm sexy
come on honey let me know".
What do you think? Sounds like it could be a hit!
originally posted by: Phage
Oh.
I wouldn't call it a "back channel" as you described it and the "red phone" would seem to be more efficient.
Pretty far off topic so early in the thread, in any case.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: The GUT
Oh.
I wouldn't call it a "back channel" as you described it and the "red phone" would seem to be more efficient.
After the fiasco of the Bay of Pigs in April, however, coupled with Kennedy’s deep concern about the stability of the Southeast Asian country of Laos in the face of a Soviet-backed insurgency, the Kennedy brothers decided to explore the Russian love for secret back channels. Starting in late May 1961, Robert would meet at least 35 times—an extraordinary number—over the next 19 months with a Soviet intelligence officer named Georgi Bolshakov (of the military intelligence service, then as now called the GRU) to voice his brother’s hope for a lessening of tensions between the superpowers. Unsurprisingly, the press and public knew nothing about these meetings. But Kennedy also kept most of them a secret from the rest of his administration. National Security Adviser McGeorge Bundy would not know the extent of these meetings until three decades later. Kennedy’s most influential biographer, Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., and his close aide and speechwriter Theodore Sorensen knew little of these contacts at the time. Robert often met with the Soviet agent in his office at DOJ; the FBI might have caught whiff of these tête-à-têtes, but the CIA was in the dark.
In the fall of 1962, when the Kennedy brothers suspected RFK’s interlocutor of having become a source of disinformation about Soviet missile activities in Cuba, they switched the back channel from Bolshakov to the Soviet ambassador, Anatoly Dobrynin. This secret contact, as many now know,would be influential in securing a peaceful end to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
originally posted by: angeldoll
originally posted by: The GUT
Btw, serious question here: Did you know that JFK and Khrushchev had a backchannel so as to avoid their crazy deep state advisors and that backchannel was responsible for deescalating the missile crisis?
Because they are so very much like Trump and Putin, one can barely tell them apart.
It is very human—and sometimes politically useful—to see parallels in history. But any comparison between these two cases requires first asking the simple question: Who benefits? Given the financial entanglements and conflicts of interests surrounding this president, and the activities of the Russian government in trying to bring him into office, such a relationship, if it exists, is likely to be revealed as very different from the one encouraged by the Kennedys years ago. In the 1960s, we know now, a president and his closest adviser took creative and audacious steps to make the world a safer place. Happy 100th birthday, JFK.
Given the financial entanglements and conflicts of interests surrounding this president, and the activities of the Russian government in trying to bring him into office, such a relationship, if it exists...
originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: The GUT
Good lord...Robert Kennedy meet with the Russians over 35 times in 19 months. If Robert Mueller hears about this, there will be another indictment.
originally posted by: Phage
I freely admit when I am ignorant about something and your second post provided far more information. Ignorance is not stupidity.