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Chinese Outflank US Navy, Develop First Railgun for Ready for Warships

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posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BigDave-AR

Yeah, but they were the only thing that size that didn't need a tanker to move when they did swaps.

They were long legged girls, no doubt about that. Didn’t they end up being more efficient at there job than the Orion’s? That’s a pretty said state of affairs if I remember correctly 4 crew vs what 12 or 13 for the Orion?




posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

The Orion is weird. The Viking was better at some things than they were, but the Orion could stay on station longer and carry a bigger payload.



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BigDave-AR

The Orion is weird. The Viking was better at some things than they were, but the Orion could stay on station longer and carry a bigger payload.

Well being carrier birds they didn’t need so long of an endurance. Not to mention getting into crew fatigue. Had a teacher who was an Orion crew member.



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

I think we've run roughshod over this poor thread long enough.

So, railguns! Cool!



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BigDave-AR

I think we've run roughshod over this poor thread long enough.

So, railguns! Cool!

Indeed was enjoying the chat. Rail it back onto that electromagnetic track! So Zummwalts need some rails since the 155 guns are turning out to be a big mistake.



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

Couldn't be any more expensive than the rounds for the gun they planned to use. Even at this stage.



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BigDave-AR

Couldn't be any more expensive than the rounds for the gun they planned to use. Even at this stage.

That’s the truth I always looked at the move to the 155mm as a big mistake they have crippled the Zummwalt with that weapons system.

I do wonder what Gerald Bull of “Babylon Gun” fame would do with electromagnetic since he was the mad genius of the artillery world?
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I think with the proper funding he could have got a “space gun” going for launching payloads into orbit. That 16” battleship gun with the extra long tube was pretty nutty.
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posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: WarPig1939w

Well yes I suppose if the railgun was point blank range but a ship armed with a rally in has to get close enough to have line of sight doesn't it or can it be used ballistically and fired over the horizon . If it has to be used line of sight then it s a mute point because it would never get close enough to see carrier at sea because a carrier is a a mobile fleet of destroyers and other surface combatants guarding the carrier plus it's a mobile air group that can project their striking power for hundreds of miles..



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: proteus33

Roughly 125 miles in 90 seconds.



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: WarPig1939w

Well yes I suppose if the railgun was point blank range but a ship armed with a rally in has to get close enough to have line of sight doesn't it or can it be used ballistically and fired over the horizon . If it has to be used line of sight then it s a mute point because it would never get close enough to see carrier at sea because a carrier is a a mobile fleet of destroyers and other surface combatants guarding the carrier plus it's a mobile air group that can project their striking power for hundreds of miles..

Point blank range is actually where the railgun is least practical if you’re that close you don’t need the speed and range of hyper velocity kinetic round, a more conventionial missile or explosive projectile make more sense. That is unless you’re trying to Hull an Iowa class BB through and through, and well sadly the Iowa’s are now museums and no other country has a battleship so that’s not a likely use case. Speaking of battleships they were flinging 1ton or greater projectiles beyond line of sight back in WW2 they could reach out to 20 miles or a bit more in shore bombardment. There’s a pretty famous story about a battleship in the pacific compaign that emptied her protective torpedo belt tank of all the water on the side towards the island while flooding the outer tanks to gain more elevation for the 16”s thus allowing them to probe further inland with their fire.
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posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

Yes but would you be able to keep that kinetic energy to still be deadly by firing a rail. Gun ballistically or would it lose that energy



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: proteus33

It's coming out of the gun at a fairly high mach number. It will go through armor at over 100 miles. A shot last year was measured at near Mach 7.3.
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posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: BigDave-AR

Yes but would you be able to keep that kinetic energy to still be deadly by firing a rail. Gun ballistically or would it lose that energy

You’ve still got plenty of energy at range close range it’s pretty much overkill it doesn’t do nearly as much good just blowing through whatever it’s up against without dumping all the energy, Think “spiking” of 5.56 round if just shoots through the internal injuries are low but if it yaws it’s a whole ‘nother story.



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: anzha
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The flood?



posted on Jun, 27 2018 @ 11:32 PM
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Definition of ORIENT : find one's position in relation to new and strange surroundings.

Disorient = no orient = confusion.

Chinese are oriental.

America and the rest of the non-Asian world are disoriented.

For example in America freedom of religion = Heaven's Gate Cult, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Joseph Smith, Warren Jeffs. Jesus appearing in secret to the Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses prior to the Second Advent, despite Jesus warnings not to believe anyone who claimed to see Him in secret chambers or the forest, or wilderness, desert, etc.

I think the only place Jesus hasn't appeared in secret before the Second Advent in America is my butthole.

ie. disoriented = no asians.



posted on Jun, 28 2018 @ 11:15 AM
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This is ATS, the answer is simple:

We is AMERIKI - WE IS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING - WE HAS THE BEST OF EVERYTHING>

AMERIKI can NEVER LOSE - BECAUSE WE IS AMERIKI.

WHOOP HOLLER - AMERIKI.

ETC.

Sadly delusion does not equal reality.

Your entire fleet was wiped out in 30 minutes by speedboats in one war games, the answer to this monumentally game-changing conundrum?

Reset the game and make it against the rules to use the same tactics.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Unfortunately in a real conflict you can't do that, and firing $100 million dollar missiles from $120 Billion dollar warships is useless if 50 $10K speedboats can wipe you out in 30 minutes.

But hey - THIS IS AMERIKIII !!!!!!



posted on Jun, 28 2018 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

How many tries does it take to put down a civilian boat!?



posted on Jun, 28 2018 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: Beowolfs

Boats aren't easy to sink, even civilian boats. It all depends on if there's weapons, such as missiles, or explosives on board, if you hit the crew, the engine, all kinds of factors.



posted on Jun, 28 2018 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: anzha

Wonder when will find out how China stole that tech from us?



posted on Jun, 28 2018 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Seems like a shame to have spent millions of $$ creating that machine, when a good ole guided missile suck as the Raytheon Pike 40 mm would have done the trick.
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