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Trump: Deport Illegal Immigrants Immediately Without Court Hearings

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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:24 PM
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Before the comments of 'they don't have rights' I'd like to remind you all that everyone in America is protected by the constitution, regardless of immigration status.

What constitutional rights do undocumented immigrants have?


In the ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote “it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in deportation proceedings.”


Do undocumented immigrants have the right to a day in court? The Supreme Court answered in 1896


[A]ll persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection guarantied by those amendments, and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.




posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:29 PM
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Just make their day in court short, like 3 days. Breaking immigration is only a mistermeanor as I understand it. Terrrible.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:33 PM
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According to Sarah Huckabee Sanders, just because you don't see a judge doesn't mean you aren't getting due process.



"Just because you don't see a judge doesn't mean you don't receive due process," press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said during Monday's press briefing.

Her remarks came in response to criticism of a tweet from Trump in which he said people who illegally cross the border should be removed "with no Judges or Court Cases.

"The president would like to see us stop people from illegally entering the country at all," Sanders said. "The president would like us to secure the borders and have a very legal and easy immigration process so people can come here the right way."


The Hill

Not exactly where I fall on this one. It seems like the current system is overrun, expensive, and inefficient. Something needs to be done.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:35 PM
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originally posted by: musicismagic
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Just make their day in court short, like 3 days. Breaking immigration is only a mistermeanor as I understand it. Terrrible.



Or at the very least obey the existing law and do no more than 20 days, even though I also feel that is too long for a misdemeanor. All this 5-6 months stuff or longer is not only immoral, it's illegal.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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links234
American Socialist


what have you given to the cause ?



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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Have judges at the border for immediate deportation. Then give them a spankin before you deport them.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:37 PM
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Even if it's Trumps fault that this is, or always happened, so what?

Not a big deal, right?

I mean... The previous government did some much worst stuff with your "constitution" and your "human rights".

And yes, it is whataboutism.


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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:43 PM
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Well , dang you started off with a BIG misunderstanding of the Constitution within itself



everyone in America is protected by the constitution, regardless of immigration status.

Every legal US citizen is protected by the Constitution

Everything else you read is just bull___




posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:47 PM
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Plus, by stopping them trying to cross the border, is that considered in America? I mean, it probably is, not sure how it works in that constitution-free zone within 100 miles of the border. If they want an immigration hearing, they could go to a US embassy. It'd be safer and they wouldn't get separated from their kids.
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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: Gothmog

Plus, by stopping them trying to cross the border, is that considered in America? I mean, it probably is, not sure how it works in that constitution-free zone within 100 miles of the border. If they want an immigration hearing, they could go to a US embassy. It'd be safer and they wouldn't get separated from their kids.



That's the way it was done years ago.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:00 PM
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I don't know the nuances of the law, and I would be ill equipped to debate it.

So in my limited frame of knowledge I'd have to say that just to be on the side of freedom that the illegals should have due process and that Trump is wrong on this.


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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:02 PM
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originally posted by: musicismagic
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Just make their day in court short, like 3 days. Breaking immigration is only a mistermeanor as I understand it. Terrrible.



They need to upgrade it to a felony then none of them would ever be eligible to come to the United States again and we could deport them and be rid of them. Do it the legal way (of which there are countless ways) or stay the hell out. I am all for legal immigration. but we don't need people that scoff at our laws coming here.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem
give them a spankin before you deport them.


Where do I send my resume?



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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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You have to consider the laws in question and how they are applied. For example, if an illegal is caught trying to enter the country he gets a court date and is deported. Depending on what he did, there may be other factors involved that limit his re-entry to after a certain period of time passing, say three years, five years, ten years, etc. If he tries to re-enter before then he has already had his day in court, the disposition is clear- deport. The only exception would be if the illegal is seeking asylum and has a credible fear of persecution. Other than that, an officer upon determination of inadmissible status can deport without further hearing or review in the absence of a credible threat of persecution. If the illegal asks for a hearing he can get one usually within 24 hours but no longer than 7 days after the request is made.

Its not "everybody gets another court date every time they try to enter the country." Our courts would never be finished with these cases. Once a disposition is made that person is subject to that disposition until it expires. If they continue to try to enter illegally they may indeed get another court date, to get a more severe disposition than the previous one.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: Gothmog

Plus, by stopping them trying to cross the border, is that considered in America? I mean, it probably is, not sure how it works in that constitution-free zone within 100 miles of the border. If they want an immigration hearing, they could go to a US embassy. It'd be safer and they wouldn't get separated from their kids.




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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:37 PM
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Deport them, immediately.

Who is going to pay for the million or 10 million court cases? Are the taxpayers supposed to carry those costs while the dysfunctional left bitch and moan about the federal debt going through the roof even further? Immigration law and borders are there for reasons that obviously liberals can't fathom.

If liberals want to pay those costs, they should pay them themselves. I wonder how much it would cost? Let's say 10milion illegals and one judge could process 4 cases a day. That's 2.5 million days, but due process has limits, say 2 years. So you have 240 working days a year, how many judges would you need? That would be about 5,210 immigration judges, probably making say $100k/yr each , makes it $1,042,000,000. Add another 5 billion for staff, equipment and a court location.

But wait, there's more thrills and chills. All these people have to wait for their day in court and they need to live. So, let's take on average a year of costs to carry these people at say $1000 person per month inclusive on average, including food, healthcare, rent, incidentals, etc. Assuming everyone gets a job after processing, that's a total two year carry cost of 120,000,000,000.

So libs, get out your check books so you can be personally on the hook for 126 biilion plus :-)

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:38 PM
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Yeah.
Stupid Constitution. It's obsolete.


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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:41 PM
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Every legal US citizen is protected by the Constitution

So is every person in the US.
However, US citizens have rights that non-citizens do not.

The Constitution is quite unambiguous about that. The difference between a citizen and a person.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Yeah.
Stupid Constitution. It's obsolete.



Get out your check book Phage :-)

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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Everyone who is on U.S. soil has the right to due-process. Everyone who is on U.S. soil must be medically treated when need be. Everyone who is on U.S. soil is entitled to receive benefits, courtesy of taxpayers.

Just do what is necessary to prevent people from entering our country illegally, and 90% of this past week's news, will never need to be repeated again.



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