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Trump's list of Democrat donations.

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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: Kharron

If you had your headquarters in New York, and you wanted favors from politicians, why would you donate to Republicans? I'm guessing that list is mainly NY politicians for a reason.

ETA: He also has casinos and hotels in Massachusetts, Nevada, and Delaware.


So political affiliation is tied to profit. Got it.


Well if the people in power are affiliated with a certain party, and you want favors from the people in power, you're not exactly gonna back a third party. Is this really going over your head? Because it's real simple...


Not at all, I think we're both saying the same thing. He's 'shifty'.

Going with where the profit is, is more important than a steady belief system.




posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: Kharron

As it's been mentioned in this thread, I don't think many people believe Trump to be much of an ideologue. It's not that Trump is necessarily shifty (though I'm not saying he's not), its that the world of politics is shifty. And he acknowledged that publicly during a presidential debate. I'm willing to give him points for honesty there.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: Kharron

As it's been mentioned in this thread, I don't think many people believe Trump to be much of an ideologue. It's not that Trump is necessarily shifty (though I'm not saying he's not), its that the world of politics is shifty. And he acknowledged that publicly during a presidential debate. I'm willing to give him points for honesty there.


Agreed, and therefore we need to treat him as a politician, with the same fervor we come down on others when they make the same faux pas.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:28 PM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

Wait. You think you are "high brow"?

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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

He gave Charlie R the most by far. Rangel must be crooked as hell. He probably does back flips for money.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:40 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: Kharron

As it's been mentioned in this thread, I don't think many people believe Trump to be much of an ideologue. It's not that Trump is necessarily shifty (though I'm not saying he's not), its that the world of politics is shifty. And he acknowledged that publicly during a presidential debate. I'm willing to give him points for honesty there.


Agreed, and therefore we need to treat him as a politician, with the same fervor we come down on others when they make the same faux pas.


I'm not sure what "faux pas" to which you're referring, but historically, Donald Trump isn't a politician. At least nothing like some of the lifelong politicians we have in DC. That said, I agree he shouldn't get some free pass, just as we shouldn't call him a Nazi when we don't agree with him.

ETA: I'm not accusing you personally of calling anyone a Nazi.
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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:41 PM
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Seems like a businessman who knew exactly which creatures would do favors. Is it right? No. Is it how the wealthy become wealthy elite? Damn straight

ETA. By the way, what the hell is $1,000 going to get you from Joe Biden? Or 15k from Hillary? She was getting rich setting up meetings with Obama.
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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Chadwickus

He was a democrat once.

So was Reagan.

So...

Are people not allowed to evolve?

I could swear Obama said that once on why he changed....





Ha! Nice one



Sorry I don't have anything meaningful to contribute to this on the same level of the OP.

Its just ya know, I have a brain and stuff.
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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: Kharron

As it's been mentioned in this thread, I don't think many people believe Trump to be much of an ideologue. It's not that Trump is necessarily shifty (though I'm not saying he's not), its that the world of politics is shifty. And he acknowledged that publicly during a presidential debate. I'm willing to give him points for honesty there.


Agreed, and therefore we need to treat him as a politician, with the same fervor we come down on others when they make the same faux pas.


I'm not sure what "faux pas" to which you're referring, but historically, Donald Trump's isn't a politician. At least nothing like some of the lifelong politicians we have in DC. That said, I agree he shouldn't get some free pass, just as we shouldn't call him a Nazi when we don't agree with him.

ETA: I'm not accusing you personally of calling anyone a Nazi.


Any faux pas, any mistake and people instinctively come back with -- well, he is not a politician, give him a break. But now we're saying it is not he that is shifty it's the profession that makes him shifty. The profession of politician.

And man, personally I think he has been a politician his whole life. He's a talker, he's a marketer, especially good at marketing himself. He speaks the money language. He just never needed votes, but he's always been a politician.

And I think if you accused me of calling him a Nazi, I think I got drunk and did it on Facebook once during the campaign. It's wrong and I don't think he's a Nazi but you'd be right if you did say it. Won't happen again.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

He was a property developer, find me one who hasn't practiced partisan-independent donations to the pols in office where they're looking to develop. I'll wait...



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:53 PM
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tump knows how to play the game

i am sure he paid off politicians to get ahead

i rather have people that had to pay over the people who collect the money



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
tump knows how to play the game

i am sure he paid off politicians to get ahead

i rather have people that had to pay over the people who collect the money


This is pretty much how the conversation always went when I discussed this with Trump supporters. None of them said "wait, he paid Democrats?" They all knew, and understood why he did it. They're not as dumb as the left likes to make them out to be.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Chadwickus

He was a property developer, find me one who hasn't practiced partisan-independent donations to the pols in office where they're looking to develop. I'll wait...


But let's put donations aside. Why did he change parties five times?

Has New York changed hands five times? I'm really asking, I don't know the answer to this; I don't know much about New York leadership and connections.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Chadwickus

He was a democrat once.



And then a republican, and then a democrat, and then a republican... and so on. He is whatever he needs to be at the time.

Donald Trump changed political parties at least five times: report


I actually don't give two craps what party Donald is in because I actually like what he is doing. He is putting America first which used to be what BOTH parties did so who gives a flip which one he happens to be in on any particular day.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Chadwickus

He was a democrat once.



And then a republican, and then a democrat, and then a republican... and so on. He is whatever he needs to be at the time.

Donald Trump changed political parties at least five times: report


I actually don't give two craps what party Donald is in because I actually like what he is doing. He is putting America first which used to be what BOTH parties did so who gives a flip which one he happens to be in on any particular day.


Fair enough, wish everyone was as down the middle as you are.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:07 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Chadwickus

He was a property developer, find me one who hasn't practiced partisan-independent donations to the pols in office where they're looking to develop. I'll wait...


But let's put donations aside. Why did he change parties five times?

Has New York changed hands five times? I'm really asking, I don't know the answer to this; I don't know much about New York leadership and connections.

In the past 4 elections, I have voted for 4 different parties for president alone. 5 different parties counting local elections. Again, historically he's not a politician, so why's it bad for him to vote for the candidate he likes rather than be loyal to a specific party? I have no problem with that.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:09 PM
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a reply to: Kharron

The most I can say is the jury is still out on him as POTUS. He's a flawed man. They all are. Until we join together to change the loopholes that allow and encourage a corrupt system we're stuck with certain realities.

I'm a flawed human too. I've made and make mistakes that don't always make me feel good about myself. For example, not anymore but in the past I've cheated on some good women who loved me. It was a sorry thing to do. I know and regret that that causes permanent damage to the psyche and their future relationships. Realizing that is what changed me.

On the other hand, despite being weak in some areas like that, I've also made some hard decisions and took some stands for the right thing when my life would've been much easier and richly rewarded had I looked the other way. I think we're all a mixed bag to one degree or other.

So far, Trump seems like he will make the hard decisions for what he believes is right and, for whatever reasons, he makes an attempt to keep the majority of his promises. I'm keeping an eye on him and if he screws it all up he will go in the same box that all the rest of the ones who proved to be screw-ups have gone in---The Bush's, the Clintons, and Obama, etc.Also: I've said from the get-go that The Donald isn't a Republican, he's something different and his own man. I like that.

The details "revealed" in this OP are just one jerk taking a shot at another jerk and between the two I don't think Trump is the biggest one.



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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Chadwickus

He was a property developer, find me one who hasn't practiced partisan-independent donations to the pols in office where they're looking to develop. I'll wait...


But let's put donations aside. Why did he change parties five times?

Has New York changed hands five times? I'm really asking, I don't know the answer to this; I don't know much about New York leadership and connections.


Two things..
1. Moderates change parties often when they find the party has changed too radically one way or the other. The argument is valid that today's moderate Republican resembles a JFK Democrat a lot closer than today's Democrat stalwarts do. Just in the past 3 decades the Dems have changed a lot and in the 80s a number of Dems joined the GOP as Reagan Republicans, only to be put off by GHW Bush and rejoin the Dems during the Clinton years, then finding closer association with the GOP again following the Contract with America.
2. I know NYC has had GOP leaders in the past 20 years, as Guiliani and Bloomberg were both Republicans (Bloomberg later lost his mind, but that's neither here nor there.) NYC also had some atrocious leadership from dem David Dinkins which caused a lot of moderate NY Dems to support Rudy G.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Chadwickus

He was a property developer, find me one who hasn't practiced partisan-independent donations to the pols in office where they're looking to develop. I'll wait...


But let's put donations aside. Why did he change parties five times?

Has New York changed hands five times? I'm really asking, I don't know the answer to this; I don't know much about New York leadership and connections.

In the past 4 elections, I have voted for 4 different parties for president alone. 5 different parties counting local elections. Again, historically he's not a politician, so why's it bad for him to vote for the candidate he likes rather than be loyal to a specific party? I have no problem with that.


Did I say it was bad? He changed sides many times. Many people do that. He never did it with as much class as some of us have but that's life in the spotlight. He calls one side names, then he switches and makes friends and calls others whatever he calls people. Then he switches sides again and makes friends and calls the other people people idiots.

That's what he does, I was agreeing. And I stated that I thought he was a politician, because the behavior I just described is the behavior of a politician. He's always been one even if he didn't run for office. Agreed?



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: Kharron

No you didn't say it was bad, and I'm sorry if I put words in your mouth. I just don't see it as a big deal; happens all the time. And I could describe Trump with a lot of words, but classy was never one of them.

However, I don't agree that he's always been a politician even without running for office. Politicians spend most of the time fundraising, and Trump has funds. He's a businessman and knows politics well, but I wouldn't say that overtly makes him a politician. On the other hand, being elected president definitely makes him a politician now, just not a career politician.

I see what you're saying though, and we're just splitting hairs on that one.




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