Winning! Harley Davidson Moving Jobs Out of USA

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Just keep worrying about brown people crossing the border, despite it being the lowest immigration in decades.

Keep your eyes focused on my left hand!

There are Mexican owned farms in my area of Arizona.

They have shut down and moved all their operation back to Mexico.

In the end, I think Mexico will benefit from Trump.

I would love to see proof of this, I too live in souther Arizona and I don't see what you are seeing.

Are you SW AZ?

It dosent matter, do you have any proof to back up your claim?

Why doesn't it matter if you are in the same area as me?

Proof? Like proving who's legal and who isn't among Mexican field workers?

This is not something you're gonna read in your local paper. But, my source is reliable.

Take it or leave it.

I'm 43 miles away from the border outside of a town called Ajo, lots of undocumented peeps and nobody is leaving.

I'm not reading it in the papers cause it's not happening like you claim.

I could walk to Mexico from my house.

OK - - you go right ahead an believe what goes on in a border town agricultural community is going to be posted in the paper.

Whatever Annee, next week when the topic comes up about California you will tell us how your living there.

You joined 3 weeks ago?

Annee joined 11 years ago and has over a decade of posting history.

Bothe left and right, nobody I have seen has ever accused her of BSing.

You only harm your own credibility by attempting to discredit her.

And I have been here since 2004.

What a stupid thing to bring up????

Not according to your registration date?

Banned I suppose?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Just keep worrying about brown people crossing the border, despite it being the lowest immigration in decades.

Keep your eyes focused on my left hand!

There are Mexican owned farms in my area of Arizona.

They have shut down and moved all their operation back to Mexico.

In the end, I think Mexico will benefit from Trump.

I would love to see proof of this, I too live in souther Arizona and I don't see what you are seeing.

Are you SW AZ?

It dosent matter, do you have any proof to back up your claim?

Why doesn't it matter if you are in the same area as me?

Proof? Like proving who's legal and who isn't among Mexican field workers?

This is not something you're gonna read in your local paper. But, my source is reliable.

Take it or leave it.

I'm 43 miles away from the border outside of a town called Ajo, lots of undocumented peeps and nobody is leaving.

I'm not reading it in the papers cause it's not happening like you claim.

I could walk to Mexico from my house.

OK - - you go right ahead an believe what goes on in a border town agricultural community is going to be posted in the paper.

Whatever Annee, next week when the topic comes up about California you will tell us how your living there.

You joined 3 weeks ago?

Annee joined 11 years ago and has over a decade of posting history.

Both left and right, although they disagree, nobody I have seen on the boards has ever accused her of BSing.

You only harm your own credibility by attempting to discredit her.

Thanks soberbacchus

I'm actually pretty much a Centrist. I do try to see both sides of things. I try to be logical.

However, I also lean toward, what to me is a logical progression, a United World.

But, I'm not particularly liberal. While I'm very much about social equality - - I also stand strong on "That Which is Not Earned, Has No Value".

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Muninn

As stupid as saying that thing to Anne tbh.

I'm asking for proof, do you have any?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Just keep worrying about brown people crossing the border, despite it being the lowest immigration in decades.

Keep your eyes focused on my left hand!

There are Mexican owned farms in my area of Arizona.

They have shut down and moved all their operation back to Mexico.

In the end, I think Mexico will benefit from Trump.

I would love to see proof of this, I too live in souther Arizona and I don't see what you are seeing.

Are you SW AZ?

It dosent matter, do you have any proof to back up your claim?

Why doesn't it matter if you are in the same area as me?

Proof? Like proving who's legal and who isn't among Mexican field workers?

This is not something you're gonna read in your local paper. But, my source is reliable.

Take it or leave it.

I'm 43 miles away from the border outside of a town called Ajo, lots of undocumented peeps and nobody is leaving.

I'm not reading it in the papers cause it's not happening like you claim.

I could walk to Mexico from my house.

OK - - you go right ahead an believe what goes on in a border town agricultural community is going to be posted in the paper.

Whatever Annee, next week when the topic comes up about California you will tell us how your living there.

You joined 3 weeks ago?

Annee joined 11 years ago and has over a decade of posting history.

Bothe left and right, nobody I have seen has ever accused her of BSing.

You only harm your own credibility by attempting to discredit her.

And I have been here since 2004.

What a stupid thing to bring up????

Not according to your registration date?

Banned I suppose?

He's not talking about ATS.

Just thought you should know.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Just keep worrying about brown people crossing the border, despite it being the lowest immigration in decades.

Keep your eyes focused on my left hand!

There are Mexican owned farms in my area of Arizona.

They have shut down and moved all their operation back to Mexico.

In the end, I think Mexico will benefit from Trump.

I would love to see proof of this, I too live in souther Arizona and I don't see what you are seeing.

Are you SW AZ?

It dosent matter, do you have any proof to back up your claim?

Why doesn't it matter if you are in the same area as me?

Proof? Like proving who's legal and who isn't among Mexican field workers?

This is not something you're gonna read in your local paper. But, my source is reliable.

Take it or leave it.

I'm 43 miles away from the border outside of a town called Ajo, lots of undocumented peeps and nobody is leaving.

I'm not reading it in the papers cause it's not happening like you claim.

I could walk to Mexico from my house.

OK - - you go right ahead an believe what goes on in a border town agricultural community is going to be posted in the paper.

Whatever Annee, next week when the topic comes up about California you will tell us how your living there.

You joined 3 weeks ago?

Annee joined 11 years ago and has over a decade of posting history.

Both left and right, although they disagree, nobody I have seen on the boards has ever accused her of BSing.

You only harm your own credibility by attempting to discredit her.

Thanks soberbacchus

I'm actually pretty much a Centrist. I do try to see both sides of things. I try to be logical.

However, I also lean toward, what to me is a logical progression, a United World.

But, I'm not particularly liberal. While I'm very much about social equality - - I also stand strong on "That Which is Not Earned, Has No Value".

Awesome, now how about that proof?

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Muninn

As stupid as saying that thing to Anne tbh.

I'm asking for proof, do you have any?

The sarcasm went over your head. Re-read it.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Muninn

As stupid as saying that thing to Anne tbh.

I'm asking for proof, do you have any?

You called her a liar.

Two different things.

She offered a personal observation from her hometown, never claimed any more or less.

You demanding cited proof and calling her a liar is gratuitous assh**ishness.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Just keep worrying about brown people crossing the border, despite it being the lowest immigration in decades.

Keep your eyes focused on my left hand!

There are Mexican owned farms in my area of Arizona.

They have shut down and moved all their operation back to Mexico.

In the end, I think Mexico will benefit from Trump.

I would love to see proof of this, I too live in souther Arizona and I don't see what you are seeing.

Are you SW AZ?

It dosent matter, do you have any proof to back up your claim?

Why doesn't it matter if you are in the same area as me?

Proof? Like proving who's legal and who isn't among Mexican field workers?

This is not something you're gonna read in your local paper. But, my source is reliable.

Take it or leave it.

I'm 43 miles away from the border outside of a town called Ajo, lots of undocumented peeps and nobody is leaving.

I'm not reading it in the papers cause it's not happening like you claim.

I could walk to Mexico from my house.

OK - - you go right ahead an believe what goes on in a border town agricultural community is going to be posted in the paper.

Whatever Annee, next week when the topic comes up about California you will tell us how your living there.

You joined 3 weeks ago?

Annee joined 11 years ago and has over a decade of posting history.

Bothe left and right, nobody I have seen has ever accused her of BSing.

You only harm your own credibility by attempting to discredit her.

And I have been here since 2004.

What a stupid thing to bring up????

Not according to your registration date?

Banned I suppose?

He's not talking about ATS.

Just thought you should know.

Oh.

So he was born in 2004?

that makes more sense.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Just keep worrying about brown people crossing the border, despite it being the lowest immigration in decades.

Keep your eyes focused on my left hand!

There are Mexican owned farms in my area of Arizona.

They have shut down and moved all their operation back to Mexico.

In the end, I think Mexico will benefit from Trump.

I would love to see proof of this, I too live in souther Arizona and I don't see what you are seeing.

Are you SW AZ?

It dosent matter, do you have any proof to back up your claim?

Why doesn't it matter if you are in the same area as me?

Proof? Like proving who's legal and who isn't among Mexican field workers?

This is not something you're gonna read in your local paper. But, my source is reliable.

Take it or leave it.

I'm 43 miles away from the border outside of a town called Ajo, lots of undocumented peeps and nobody is leaving.

I'm not reading it in the papers cause it's not happening like you claim.

I could walk to Mexico from my house.

OK - - you go right ahead an believe what goes on in a border town agricultural community is going to be posted in the paper.

Whatever Annee, next week when the topic comes up about California you will tell us how your living there.

You joined 3 weeks ago?

Annee joined 11 years ago and has over a decade of posting history.

Bothe left and right, nobody I have seen has ever accused her of BSing.

You only harm your own credibility by attempting to discredit her.

And I have been here since 2004.

What a stupid thing to bring up????

Not according to your registration date?

Banned I suppose?

He's not talking about ATS.

Just thought you should know.

Oh.

So he was born in 2004?

that makes more sense.

No it doesn't. Now you're just being a prick.

He was saying that he's been in the area since 2004.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Muninn

As stupid as saying that thing to Anne tbh.

I'm asking for proof, do you have any?

You called her a liar.

Two different things.

She offered a personal observation from her hometown, never claimed any more or less.

You demanding cited proof and calling her a liar is gratuitous assh**ishness.

Thanks.

Things happen quietly here.

Like I have a family living next door to me one day, then next day the apartment is empty.

A business is open one day, next day it has a closed sign.

There are small family owned farms here. One day you see farm workers, the next day its abandoned.

NO - - it's not gonna be written up in the paper.

Harley has been in decline for the last decade. Closing factories, importing and building in other countries as well as losing to other manufacturers as an entry level bike.

To say Harley is failing because of trade tarriffs is bs. Less than 15% of business goes to Europe.

Go ahead and blame Trump it is a slow news week.

www.bizjournals.com...

Harley's U.S. sales dropped 8.5 percent to 148,000 motorcycles in the company's 2017 fiscal year. Sales declined for the fourth year in a row, a 13.5 percent drop since 2014. The overall motorcycle industry saw sales drop 6.5 percent during the same time period.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Just keep worrying about brown people crossing the border, despite it being the lowest immigration in decades.

Keep your eyes focused on my left hand!

There are Mexican owned farms in my area of Arizona.

They have shut down and moved all their operation back to Mexico.

In the end, I think Mexico will benefit from Trump.

And China and the EU.

In the end it is good for Canada, Mexico, China and the EU.

They get stronger, work more closely together and learn to live with much lower US trade.

Unfortunately that foretells very bad things for the US economy both short and long-term.

Yes, I agree.

In a way, it is Trump who is pushing us to a Global Government.

^^^^
Ding ding!

a reply to: matafuchs

Yet, Mr. Trump excitedly had HD to the White House earlier ... so the rule is:

Good for Trump=good

Bad for Trump=deny, lie, damn the source, insult the poster, lie some more?

Cause that's what we're seeing here in response to a perfectly viable discussion topic.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: matafuchs

Yet, Mr. Trump excitedly had HD to the White House earlier ... so the rule is:

Good for Trump=good

Bad for Trump=deny, lie, damn the source, insult the poster, lie some more?

Cause that's what we're seeing here in response to a perfectly viable discussion topic.

That's simply not true though is it?

I have asked for specific data since Trump took office and I've also posted links to related articles that potentially back up Soberbacchus' OP.

I'm not partisan about this issue and I seem to be one of the few posters that is not looking at this from "a side". Unlike you...

Harley doesn't "make" bikes in the US. They "assemble" bikes in The US. Most every part is made overseas. Germany is one of their best foreign markets. Early US. Bikes were leak oil crap anyway. If an "American" company can't drop a few profit bucks back into the country that made them who they are? Bye, adios! Jap bikes have always been better built anyway. The only people I see whining about Trump policy, are the people wanting stuff they can't have and they don't need, in the first place. A very small % of Americans have a Harley, or want one, or even need one. This post, if true, is a non issue in the big scheme of things. I'd be more concerned if S&W or Ruger was shipping out overseas. But my priorities are different than most bubba types.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Muninn
a reply to: Annee

OK - - you go right ahead an believe what goes on in a border town agricultural community is going to be posted in the paper.

I will because I work in AG and deal with them on a daily basis.

Great!

But, you only know your area.

And I know some of what's happened here.

So your experience of the area is gospel but mine is not.

See where we are going without concrete proof of claims?

I'll ask again, do you have proof to back up your earlier claim other then "trust me"?

LOL ... you blatantly lied about a easily determinable source a couple of pages ago, you've not offered one shred of evidence for your counter-claim, and you're petulantly demanding that Annee dance to your tune?

Please feel free to carefully place this feculence precisely where you pulled it out of.

originally posted by: murphy22
Harley doesn't "make" bikes in the US. They "assemble" bikes in The US. Most every part is made overseas. Germany is one of they're best foreign markets. Early US. Bikes were leak oil crap anyway. If an "American" company can't drop a few profit bucks back into the country that made them who they are? Bye, adios! Jap bikes have always been better built anyway. The only people I see whining about Trump policy, are the people wanting stuff that can't have what they don't need, in the first place. A very small % of America's have a Harley, or want, even need one. This, if true, is a no issue in the big scheme of things. I'd be more concerned if S&W or Ruger was shipping out overseas. But my priorities are different than most bubba types.

Well, OP quoted executives at Harley Davidson ... are you saying you know better than they do?

Or are you just posting anything to cast doubt on what you consider negative for Mr. Trump?

a reply to: murphy22

A very small % of America's have a Harley, or want, even need one. This, if true, is a no issue in the big scheme of things.

You seem to have missed the point. It is not about Americans buying hogs or not. It's about Europeans not buying hogs because they will cost too much in Europe because of Trump trade spasms.

a reply to: murphy22

Yep. I remember Kawasaki being a sponsor on the video game, California Games.

I loved that game. SEGA Master System FTW!

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Yes, what I said is a spot-on description of what Trump supporters are doing in this thread and most threads that are negative toward Mr. Trump.

Sure, you've asked for data, been given it, and kept asking for more. You're posting superfluous information without comment and now you want to claim that you're backing up your claims?

The only side I'm taking here is standing by the facts and opposing lies ... you know, my usual.