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What is it that you really want? (immigration)

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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct



Here is that post. This is my argument against open borders...


Sure.




posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: introvert

Perhaps the plan was to trade the kids to mexico for funding?

It is obvious that returning them was never on their minds until they were forced too.

I do wonder why if trump wanted the wall he passed on the 6 billion offered then he passed on the 25 billion offered.

Must be cause mexico is gonna pay for it still.not


All goes back to my original point. This has nothing to do with finding solutions. It's about having a political tool to beat each other with.

The OP falls for it and so does most everyone else.

We're not looking for reasonable solutions. If so, the wall nonsense would be dismissed for the stupidity it is.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: JBurns
What far right extremists? I am not referring to the white supremacists, as they have been and always be a threat. However, isn’t it interesting that inspired by Trump more of such are running for office. No I am talking about the Tea party persons, who by minority vote, got into office, and where they once claimed for fiscal responsibility, now seem to put that aside in favor of self interest. The congress persons who go into foreign policy, when taking donations from groups that represent a foreign country, to those who are courting and following along with the Evangelicals, the likes of Kevin Swanson and Tony Perkins, who would use religion as a weapon, they are far more dangerous than the white supremacists.

I find it amusing and funny that people view socialist and communist as a threat to the USA. That too is dangerous, for it brings back a time that no one of us would want, and it would be just the thing that the Republicans would try again. A senator from Wisconsin, who brought the country to its knees and ended up ruining the lives of the citizens of this country, all out of fear of a political idea, to the point of endangering the rights of all of the citizens in this country.

I am not sure about when a Democrat condemned the far left, but it is about as long ago as a Republican called out and fought against the far right and condemned the Evangelicals, and the white supremacist and the hypocrisy of members of the party who have pushed the nations interest to the side to let their own interest first.

There are 2 truths that are very clear: 1) The republicans and the democrats are just as bad as each other and are the same. They are like the leaves on a tree and sway with the wind. Issue that concerns their base they are over here, it goes the other way they shift position.
And far more important: 2) The congress, neither party wants to solve this issue. Don’t you think that since it became an issue, back in 1953, that if the federal government wanted to solve this problem, it would have been? Don’t you find it funny, that even when they have a majority in congress, able to pass any legislation, get it through both the house and senate, that they could easily have taken care of this problem by now? The only answer is that this is an issue that is used to draw the attention away from what ever the congress is trying to do and distract.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: introvert


People such as myself want an open border, but neither the Democrats or Republicans will even think about that. The Democrats are not open border.


I 100% disagree with you, but I thank you for finally answering the question. I wish you would have done that first, we could have had a much better talk.

What country has completely open borders, so we can look at how that works for them?



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

a system where they can't vote, can't receive benefits, work to support themselves. as long as they're fully vetted and checked for disease, i think this would be a fair policy. as long as the number of people coming over here is not astronomical i don't see why anyone would argue with such a plan.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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I 100% disagree with you, but I thank you for finally answering the question. I wish you would have done that first, we could have had a much better talk.


I've never seen open borders as part of a Democratic party platform.

That's one of the issues I have with their party.



What country has completely open borders, so we can look at how that works for them?


None. There are only countries that have open border policies with specific neighboring countries. But none that have completely open borders.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude



I 100% disagree with you, but I thank you for finally answering the question. I wish you would have done that first, we could have had a much better talk.


I've never seen open borders as part of a Democratic party platform.

That's one of the issues I have with their party.



What country has completely open borders, so we can look at how that works for them?


None. There are only countries that have open border policies with specific neighboring countries. But none that have completely open borders.


can you explain why you think it would work here, and not in any other country on the planet Earth?



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

*cough*fox news*cough*

You and your star buddies are pretty ignorant if you think right wing media don’t have an agenda like left wing media.

Time to pull your head out of your arse, cowboy.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:24 PM
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can you explain why you think it would work here, and not in any other country on the planet Earth?


It does work in other countries on Earth. They just do not fit the parameters of the question you asked (IE "completely" open borders).



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude



can you explain why you think it would work here, and not in any other country on the planet Earth?


It does work in other countries on Earth. They just do not fit the parameters of the question you asked (IE "completely" open borders).


Um....now I'm confused again. If the borders are "open", is there any other kind than completely? I assure you, once I open a beer, it's open. Not just a little, but completely and forever.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

It helps to read past page 1.

Are you actually capable? Or is that too hard for you?



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:28 PM
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Um....now I'm confused again. If the borders are "open", is there any other kind than completely? I assure you, once I open a beer, it's open. Not just a little, but completely and forever.


Like I said, there are nations that have agreements with neighbors or unions, such as the EU, that have open border agreements, but do not have a "completely" open border, as is the literal definition of the word.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

*cough*fox news*cough*

You and your star buddies are pretty ignorant if you think right wing media don’t have an agenda like left wing media.

Time to pull your head out of your arse, cowboy.


Thanks captain obvious. Please be sure to remind us all that the sky appears blue at times on your way out.

Fox news, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, Sky News, BBC, and any other news outlet on the planet. Just all but Fox are left.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude



Um....now I'm confused again. If the borders are "open", is there any other kind than completely? I assure you, once I open a beer, it's open. Not just a little, but completely and forever.


Like I said, there are nations that have agreements with neighbors or unions, such as the EU, that have open border agreements, but do not have a "completely" open border, as is the literal definition of the word.


Then what is it you are looking for? Will the folks entering the country be checked, or will it just be a free for all? Your theory is so abstract, I can't grasp what you mean. And with you being so vague, I'm not sure you know what you want.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:32 PM
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There are 2 truths that are very clear: 1) The republicans and the democrats are just as bad as each other and are the same. They are like the leaves on a tree and sway with the wind. Issue that concerns their base they are over here, it goes the other way they shift position.


So you contend that our political discourse is itself the problem? That it is essentially Broken?

I don't entirely disagree with you on that.


And far more important: 2) The congress, neither party wants to solve this issue. Don’t you think that since it became an issue, back in 1953, that if the federal government wanted to solve this problem, it would have been? Don’t you find it funny, that even when they have a majority in congress, able to pass any legislation, get it through both the house and senate, that they could easily have taken care of this problem by now? The only answer is that this is an issue that is used to draw the attention away from what ever the congress is trying to do and distract.


I do find that "funny" in fact. I have been rather curious why the current-minority party is able to hold any legislation hostage. Have had those kind of thoughts since the first time I heard it actually.

So what is there to do? Is the hurling-lies, insults, harassment just a part of the devolution of our politics now? Tools, to be wielded for the sake of harming the other vs. pushing a specific agenda or accomplishing a policy goal? What possible options for compromise exist under such conditions?

If that is the case, then it seems there is no way we walk away from this a single nation, indivisible. If that is not a sobering thought then I do not know what is
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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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Then what is it you are looking for? Will the folks entering the country be checked, or will it just be a free for all? Your theory is so abstract, I can't grasp what you mean. And with you being so vague, I'm not sure you know what you want.


I think we need to have open border policies with a majority of the world. Not "completely" open, because we will need to keep an eye on people from some regions, but even then I think the restrictions should be fairly limited.

And I am not being vague. I'm actually being very specific and it seems to be throwing you off a bit.



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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude



Then what is it you are looking for? Will the folks entering the country be checked, or will it just be a free for all? Your theory is so abstract, I can't grasp what you mean. And with you being so vague, I'm not sure you know what you want.


I think we need to have open border policies with a majority of the world. Not "completely" open, because we will need to keep an eye on people from some regions, but even then I think the restrictions should be fairly limited.



but you didn't answer the most important question. Would those who enter be checked, or would it be a free for all? This is a key question and it shows you had thought about this more than 3 minutes.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:52 PM
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but you didn't answer the most important question. Would those who enter be checked, or would it be a free for all?


Depends on where they are coming from and how they are entering the country. That is why I said not "completely" open.

That clearly itself implies some checks in place. Does it not?



This is a key question and it shows you had thought about this more than 3 minutes.


I think you mean "hadn't", but that's irrelevant. Read what I posted and take the time to digest it. Let me post it again:



Not "completely" open, because we will need to keep an eye on people from some regions, but even then I think the restrictions should be fairly limited.


So I did answer your question.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 04:58 PM
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Does it make what I said any less true?

No.

But nice try.

I guess you gave that old cowpoke a star for his inane, biased, brain dead comment too huh.

I’d add some more pejoratives but I have to go and work in my left leaning, smelly tree hugging job.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 10:08 PM
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MORE VOTES.

The whole children being separated thing was a ploy by the media to once again, blame their opponent, for the crimes they are committing. (The bush/Clinton criminal syndicate)

Do they really think anyone besides their brainwashed 13 year old fan club are falling for it?

anything to keep them in power. The show must go on.



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